showing your cards before the showdown

[Randy_Refeld]

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In tournaments your hand will be dead(folded). In cash-games it might be dead, depending what the situation is and where do you play at. Any case it brings you nothing but the trouble.

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Just a quick note on this. In casinos that use TDA rules your hand is not dead, but you are subject to penalty for exposing your cards.

In a live game it is very poor form in a multiway pot. You most likley won't be asked to leave the first time you do it, but it is not within the spirit of the rules.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

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In tournaments your hand will be dead(folded). In cash-games it might be dead, depending what the situation is and where do you play at. Any case it brings you nothing but the trouble.

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Very common misconception. I do agree that this tactic will bring nothing but trouble, but that's as far as it goes. Few, if any cardrooms have any written rule that your hand is dead if you expose it on purpose. TDA rules state that you MAY receive a penalty if you do this, but your hand will NOT be killed.

The problem lies in the widescale misconception and ignorance of the rules in players, dealers and floor persons. Your hand may wind up getting killed if you expose it early, but this will almost certainly be an error NOT supported by the house rulebook, and will be done by someone who doesn't KNOW the rules like they should. Furthermore, when I see this happen, and I hear a player yelling "his hand is dead!" it just makes me cringe, cuz I wish the ignorant masses (who don't know diddly) would just keep their big mouths shut and remember that THEY AIN'T THE DEALER AND THEY AIN'T THE FLOOR EITHER.

al

[Howard Burroughs]

"In a live game it is very poor form in a multiway pot. You most likley won't be asked to leave the first time you do it, but it is not within the spirit of the rules."

Hi Randy,

What about heads-up?

I recently played this hand....

I open-raise to $25.

Tight pre-flop player makes it $50 to go.
I call.

Just the two of us to the flop.


I check-call $15 on the flop.


I check-call $15 on the turn.



I bet $520 on the river.


He thinks for a while, then starts to muck.

Before the cards leave his hand, I say, "I'll show you one for free, the other one is going to cost you $520 to look at."


This sparks his interest. I show him his free card. Within seconds, he calls.


So, Randy and Capone (and other 2+2ers).....


1) Am I a low down varment who violated the spirit of the game?


2) Or am I a bad ass poker playin' M%$#!@ F*#%*& :-)


Just wondering. Thanks in advance and happy pokering!


Howard

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"In a live game it is very poor form in a multiway pot. You most likley won't be asked to leave the first time you do it, but it is not within the spirit of the rules."

Hi Randy,

What about heads-up?

I recently played this hand....

I open-raise to $25.

Tight pre-flop player makes it $50 to go.
I call.

Just the two of us to the flop.


I check-call $15 on the flop.


I check-call $15 on the turn.



I bet $520 on the river.


He thinks for a while, then starts to muck.

Before the cards leave his hand, I say, "I'll show you one for free, the other one is going to cost you $520 to look at."


This sparks his interest. I show him his free card. Within seconds, he calls.


So, Randy and Capone (and other 2+2ers).....


1) Am I a low down varment who violated the spirit of the game?


2) Or am I a bad ass poker playin' M%$#!@ F*#%*& :-)


Just wondering. Thanks in advance and happy pokering!


Howard

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The other day someone showed me one card and induced me to call on the river with top pair against his rivered set... lol.

[Randy_Refeld]

It is heads up, they are your cards, do what you want.

In a touranment other players have an interest in the outcome of the hand, so you may not show your hand (with 2 players left in the touranment the rule about not showing no longer applies).

[IceKing]

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In tournaments your hand will be dead(folded). In cash-games it might be dead, depending what the situation is and where do you play at. Any case it brings you nothing but the trouble.

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Very common misconception. I do agree that this tactic will bring nothing but trouble, but that's as far as it goes. Few, if any cardrooms have any written rule that your hand is dead if you expose it on purpose. TDA rules state that you MAY receive a penalty if you do this, but your hand will NOT be killed.

The problem lies in the widescale misconception and ignorance of the rules in players, dealers and floor persons. Your hand may wind up getting killed if you expose it early, but this will almost certainly be an error NOT supported by the house rulebook, and will be done by someone who doesn't KNOW the rules like they should. Furthermore, when I see this happen, and I hear a player yelling "his hand is dead!" it just makes me cringe, cuz I wish the ignorant masses (who don't know diddly) would just keep their big mouths shut and remember that THEY AIN'T THE DEALER AND THEY AIN'T THE FLOOR EITHER.

al

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Youre right. Tournament rules also varies from place to place. And depending of the situation and where do you play at, exposed hand may be considered as folded.

Im very familiar with situation where player/s yell "his hand is dead", and other stuff like that. The problem is that people, who dont have enough experience and/or knowledge about poker, dont see the difference between two situations that look similar at first. They think that if exposed hand was once ruled as dead, it will always be.

BTW, in my casino we dont give players warnings/penalties ..we just kick em in the nuts. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Dominic]

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I haven't played poker in a casino before. Are you allowed to show your hand before the showdown? I would like to be able to do this when there are three or four other players active in a hand and I would like to protect a big pocker pair

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Jesus Christ, where are you planning on playing?? I want to be there.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

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BTW, in my casino we dont give players warnings/penalties ..we just kick em in the nuts.

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NOW you're talkin'. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

al

[Al_Capone_Junior]

I agree. Heads up, Howard's tactics are no problem in a live game.

al

[Al_Capone_Junior]

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This is one of the most patheic threads I've ever read.


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You failed to correctly spell "pathetic." I'll leave the implications of that to the reader.

al