Am I a payoff machine?

PoBoy321 · #1 08-19-2005, 12:34 AM

I feel like my play has been less than optimal lately and I think that hands like these are the primary leaks in my game. Do I just pay off too much with good 2nd best hands and when I get outdrawn?

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.50 BB (8 handed) converter

CO ($11.15)
Button ($91.60)
SB ($30)
BB ($108.30)
UTG ($24.65)
UTG+1 ($46.25)
MP1 ($58)
Hero ($51.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.5, 4 folds, MP1 calls $2.

Flop: ($5.75) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($5.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 bets $3, Hero raises to $14.75, MP1 calls $11.75.

River: ($35.25) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $15, MP1 raises to $30, Hero raises to $45, MP1 calls $0.

Final Pot: $110.25

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.50 BB (10 handed) converter

SB ($24.35)
BB ($83.80)
UTG ($13.30)
UTG+1 ($34.30)
UTG+2 ($108.55)
MP1 ($18)
MP2 ($56.20)
MP3 ($49.25)
Hero ($41.85)
Button ($63.95)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.5, 1 fold, SB calls $2.25, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $2, MP2 calls $2.

Flop: ($10.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets $7.75, SB calls $7.75, UTG+2 folds, MP2 folds.

Turn: ($26) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $7, SB bets $7, Hero calls $0.

River: ($40) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $40

yvesaint · #2 08-19-2005, 12:36 AM

I think I just call his check re-raise there in hand 1. Flush got there, board paired, and he check re-raised you on the river. Hand 2 looks fine.

Mackerel · #3 08-19-2005, 12:38 AM

Okay, I've only read hand one so far, but WTF are you re-raising for there on the river?????

Mackerel · #4 08-19-2005, 12:47 AM

Okay, hand two looks pretty straight forward. I probably would've bet more on the turn, because that's what I'd do with AA, but either way, it's going in on the river.

Back to hand one. This plays a lot easier if you pot the flop. Then you just 3/4 pot the turn if he's still around (or push if he leads) and the river is an easy push no matter what falls. If he's there with a flush draw to suckout, just collect your sklansky bucks & move on.

PoBoy321 · #5 08-19-2005, 01:06 AM

Whoops, I just realized that there were a few problems with the HHs. In hand one, I only had like $3 left after calling the river check/raise, so I just figured "eh, if I pay off for $3, it's better than leaving $3 on the table if I'm ahead." In hand 2, villain check/raised all-in for like an additional $10 on the turn.

BZ_Zorro · #6 08-19-2005, 01:45 AM

They're both fine.

Only problem is hand two, why bet $7 when he could be chasing a flush? You bet less than the amount required for him to draw ($7 into $26 pot, he has to call $7 for $33). You're actually giving up a portion of the pot for free.

Do you see why?

PoBoy321 · #7 08-19-2005, 07:42 AM

The reason for the $7 bet was hat he only had like $15 left in his stack, and I figured that a $7 bet would a)represent weakness so that an aggressive player might try to raise as a semibluff to push me off of my hand and b) pot commit him so that even if his draw missed, he might still pay me off with a wide range of hands.

BZ_Zorro · #8 08-19-2005, 11:00 AM

Fair enough, but...
a) he's not bluffing you for another $7 with two kings on the board
b) a fold here is more +EV than a $7 call if he has a flush draw, which is fairly likely. And is he really calling a missed flush?

If you push it in now, I think he'll call a flush draw, or a weak king. It's all about Sklansky bucks. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Not a big deal anyway, just thought it worth mentioning.