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08-26-2004, 12:56 PM
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Bad night at Pokerstars
The worst night I've ever had at Pokerstars, I lost $70 from my $140 buy-in. Would you have played any of these 5 hands differently?
*********** Hand 1 ************** PokerStars Game #643622556: Hold'em Limit ($2/$4) 10 players ME: SB [Js Jd] Player 1: Middle 4 limp in to see a flop, I can't drive anyone out so limp. *** FLOP *** [9c 7h 4s] ME: bets $2 All fold to... Player 1: calls $2 *** TURN *** [9c 7h 4s] [5c] ME: bets $4 Player 1: calls $4 *** RIVER *** [9c 7h 4s 5c] [Qd] ME: checks Player 1: bets $4 ME: calls $4 *** SHOW DOWN *** Player 1: shows [8s Qs] (a pair of Queens) ME: [Js Jd] Player 1 collected $27 from pot. I included this hand as it was typical of 2 previous hands I had just played. *********** Hand 2 ************** PokerStars Game #643619449: Hold'em Limit ($2/$4) 9 players ME: Early [Th Qh] Player 1: SB I together with the blinds limp in. 3 people see the flop. *** FLOP *** [6d Qs Qc] All Chk. I flop 3 queens and decide to slowplay with only a 6 on a rainbow board. *** TURN *** [6d Qs Qc] [4h] Player 1: bets $4 Big Blind folds ME: raises $4 to $8 Player 1: raises $4 to $12 ME: raises $4 to $16 Betting is capped Player 1: calls $4 and is all-in *** RIVER *** [6d Qs Qc 4h] [5d] *** SHOW DOWN *** Player 1: shows [6s 6h] (a full house, Sixes full of Queens) ME: mucks hand Player 1 collected $37 from pot Where should I have got away from the hand ??? *********** Hand 3 ************** PokerStars Game #643631086: Hold'em Limit ($2/$4) 10 players. Player 1: middle ME: late [Qd Qh] Player 1: calls $2 ME: raises $2 to $4 Player 1: calls $2 2 see the flop. *** FLOP *** [Ts Tc Js] Player 1: checks ME: bets $2 Player 1: calls $2 *** TURN *** [Ts Tc Js] [3c] Player 1: checks ME: bets $4 Player 1: raises $4 to $8 ME: calls $4 *** RIVER *** [Ts Tc Js 3c] [6d] Player 1: bets $4 ME: calls $4 *** SHOW DOWN *** Player 1: shows [Td Kd] (three of a kind, Tens) ME: [Qd Qh] player 1 collected $38 from pot He could have had AJ or KJ when he Chk/Raised the turn, there was lots of bluffing going on. Should I have got away from the hand? *********** Hand 4 ************** PokerStars Game #643638640: Hold'em Limit ($2/$4) 9 players Player 1: UTG ME: Early [As Ac] Player 1: calls $2 ME: raises $2 to $4 Player 1: calls $2 w/ 2 others . 4 see the flop. *** FLOP *** [Td Ah 4c] Player 1: checks ME: bets $2 All fold to... Player 1: calls $2 *** TURN *** [Td Ah 4c] [Jd] Player 1: bets $4 ME: calls $4 A caller becomes a bettor and I feel he has KQ for the straight to crack my aces, I guess I have 9 outs to a boat and the other Ace, does 10 outs enable me to re-raise? *** RIVER *** [Td Ah 4c Jd] [7c] Player 1: bets $4 ME: calls $4 *** SHOW DOWN *** Player 1: shows [Ad Kc] (a pair of Aces) ME: shows [As Ac] (three of a kind, Aces) ME: collected $36 from pot A few players were coming in with AK and AQ without a raise to trap others, the betting was relentless and pots were reaching $100+ every other hand. I had just had pocket queens cracked and 3 queens beaten before that. Should I have jammed the Turn and River here even if I thought I was behind ? *********** Hand 5 ************** PokerStars Game #643641572: Hold'em Limit ($2/$4) 8 Players ME: Button [As Js] Player 1: UTG 5 limp in to see the flop. *** FLOP *** [6c Qh Ac] All check to... Player 1: bets $2 ME: raises $2 to $4 All fold to.. Player 1: raises $2 to $6 ME: calls $2 I've got what I wanted and driven the other players out but I'm surprised with a re-Raise and immediately suspect 2 pair here, probably A6 but I can't fold! *** TURN *** [6c Qh Ac] [8s] Player 1: bets $4 ME: calls $4 *** RIVER *** [6c Qh Ac 8s] [Ks] Player 1: bets $4 ME: calls $4 *** SHOW DOWN *** Player 1: shows [Ad Qd] ME: As Js Player 1 collected $37 from pot. Where should I have let it go ? Thanks. 
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#3
08-26-2004, 01:06 PM
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Re: Bad night at Pokerstars
1) Do not post multiple hands in one post
2) Read Tosh's reply 3) Do not post bad beat stories 4) 70 dollars = 17.5 BBs, quite normal. 5) Welcome to 2+2. ** I read it very briefly and you got some serious holes to plug.
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#5
08-26-2004, 01:15 PM
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Re: Bad night at Pokerstars
I guess I'll take a shot
[ QUOTE ] The worst night I've ever had at Pokerstars, I lost $70 from my $140 buy-in. Would you have played any of these 5 hands differently? *********** Hand 1 ************** PokerStars Game #643622556: Hold'em Limit ($2/$4) 10 players ME: SB [Js Jd] Player 1: Middle 4 limp in to see a flop, I can't drive anyone out so limp. *** FLOP *** [9c 7h 4s] ME: bets $2 All fold to... Player 1: calls $2 *** TURN *** [9c 7h 4s] [5c] ME: bets $4 Player 1: calls $4 *** RIVER *** [9c 7h 4s 5c] [Qd] ME: checks Player 1: bets $4 ME: calls $4 *** SHOW DOWN *** Player 1: shows [8s Qs] (a pair of Queens) ME: [Js Jd] Player 1 collected $27 from pot. <font color="blue"> RAISE PREFLOP. It's not about getting people to fold, it's about putting money in with the best hand. </font> I included this hand as it was typical of 2 previous hands I had just played. *********** Hand 2 ************** PokerStars Game #643619449: Hold'em Limit ($2/$4) 9 players ME: Early [Th Qh] Player 1: SB I together with the blinds limp in. 3 people see the flop. *** FLOP *** [6d Qs Qc] All Chk. I flop 3 queens and decide to slowplay with only a 6 on a rainbow board. <font color="blue"> Bet the flop, they will call you. if you get raised, 3-bet, if it gets capped call down.</font> *** TURN *** [6d Qs Qc] [4h] Player 1: bets $4 Big Blind folds ME: raises $4 to $8 Player 1: raises $4 to $12 ME: raises $4 to $16 Betting is capped Player 1: calls $4 and is all-in <font color="blue"> Don't cap, he isn't 3-betting you with a weaker queen, if he is, it's Q4 or Q6 </font> *** RIVER *** [6d Qs Qc 4h] [5d] *** SHOW DOWN *** Player 1: shows [6s 6h] (a full house, Sixes full of Queens) ME: mucks hand Player 1 collected $37 from pot Where should I have got away from the hand ??? *********** Hand 3 ************** PokerStars Game #643631086: Hold'em Limit ($2/$4) 10 players. Player 1: middle ME: late [Qd Qh] Player 1: calls $2 ME: raises $2 to $4 Player 1: calls $2 2 see the flop. *** FLOP *** [Ts Tc Js] Player 1: checks ME: bets $2 Player 1: calls $2 *** TURN *** [Ts Tc Js] [3c] Player 1: checks ME: bets $4 Player 1: raises $4 to $8 ME: calls $4 *** RIVER *** [Ts Tc Js 3c] [6d] Player 1: bets $4 ME: calls $4 *** SHOW DOWN *** Player 1: shows [Td Kd] (three of a kind, Tens) ME: [Qd Qh] player 1 collected $38 from pot He could have had AJ or KJ when he Chk/Raised the turn, there was lots of bluffing going on. Should I have got away from the hand? <font color="blue"> Nothing you can do here, certainly can't fold </font> *********** Hand 4 ************** PokerStars Game #643638640: Hold'em Limit ($2/$4) 9 players Player 1: UTG ME: Early [As Ac] Player 1: calls $2 ME: raises $2 to $4 Player 1: calls $2 w/ 2 others . 4 see the flop. *** FLOP *** [Td Ah 4c] Player 1: checks ME: bets $2 All fold to... Player 1: calls $2 *** TURN *** [Td Ah 4c] [Jd] Player 1: bets $4 ME: calls $4 A caller becomes a bettor and I feel he has KQ for the straight to crack my aces, I guess I have 9 outs to a boat and the other Ace, does 10 outs enable me to re-raise? *** RIVER *** [Td Ah 4c Jd] [7c] Player 1: bets $4 ME: calls $4 *** SHOW DOWN *** Player 1: shows [Ad Kc] (a pair of Aces) ME: shows [As Ac] (three of a kind, Aces) ME: collected $36 from pot A few players were coming in with AK and AQ without a raise to trap others, the betting was relentless and pots were reaching $100+ every other hand. I had just had pocket queens cracked and 3 queens beaten before that. Should I have jammed the Turn and River here even if I thought I was behind ? <font color="blue"> Raise/Cap the turn, Raise/Cap the river. There is ONE hand that beats you, don't play scared.</font> *********** Hand 5 ************** PokerStars Game #643641572: Hold'em Limit ($2/$4) 8 Players ME: Button [As Js] Player 1: UTG 5 limp in to see the flop. *** FLOP *** [6c Qh Ac] All check to... Player 1: bets $2 ME: raises $2 to $4 All fold to.. Player 1: raises $2 to $6 ME: calls $2 I've got what I wanted and driven the other players out but I'm surprised with a re-Raise and immediately suspect 2 pair here, probably A6 but I can't fold! *** TURN *** [6c Qh Ac] [8s] Player 1: bets $4 ME: calls $4 *** RIVER *** [6c Qh Ac 8s] [Ks] Player 1: bets $4 ME: calls $4 *** SHOW DOWN *** Player 1: shows [Ad Qd] ME: As Js Player 1 collected $37 from pot. Where should I have let it go ? <font color="blue">Raise or fold preflop, probably raise </font> Thanks. [/ QUOTE ]
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#6
08-26-2004, 01:19 PM
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Re: Bad night at Pokerstars
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I only started doing this badly after reading Small Stakes Hold'em. I think it is largely irrelevant to online play, especially the popular sites like Pokerstars and Paradise. [/ QUOTE ] I think you are wrong.
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#7
08-26-2004, 01:23 PM
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Re: Bad night at Pokerstars
I think I missed the section in SSH where it advocates playing top set meekly when it's the second nuts.
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#8
08-26-2004, 01:27 PM
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Re: Bad night at Pokerstars
Paradise and Pokerstars are the homes of the toughest limit play on the net, so nice table selection there on your part. Additionaly, while you may indeed be misapplying SSH concepts, I can tell by your comments that you are missing a great deal.
So my suggestions are the following. Break each hand down, use the converter and post them individually. Get away from Pokerstars and try the multitude of other sites. SSH is more geared toward the loose aggressive nature of Party.
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#9
08-26-2004, 01:27 PM
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Re: Bad night at Pokerstars
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I only started doing this badly after reading Small Stakes Hold'em. I think it is largely irrelevant to online play, especially the popular sites like Pokerstars and Paradise. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah... his books been out for what.... a month? In that same time period, my winrate is 11.7BB/100 in 4k+ hands (after reading it). What does that mean? Nothing. Small sample size.
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#10
08-26-2004, 01:39 PM
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Re: Bad night at Pokerstars
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I only started doing this badly after reading Small Stakes Hold'em. I think it is largely irrelevant to online play, especially the popular sites like Pokerstars and Paradise. [/ QUOTE ] The JJ and AJs hands where you didn't raise PF show that you need to do some rereading, and that honestly, any losses post-SSH so far are more likely from misapplying the concepts than the concepts themselves. After reading it a couple of times, there are certainly some adjustments to be made for slightly tighter games, but most of the concepts can still be profitable when applied correctly. Your very first hand there with JJ, where you didn't raise "because you won't drive anyone out"...just terrible. Reread, post more hands, and play a lower level until you feel comfortable with the aggressiveness of SSH.
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