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#13
10-20-2005, 02:13 PM
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Re: Bluff EV
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[ QUOTE ] Bet the flop already. [/ QUOTE ] What about a check/raise plan (depending on who bets and how many opponents call)? [/ QUOTE ] Ragged flop with 3 opponents, no need to get tricky. 
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#14
10-20-2005, 02:20 PM
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Re: Bluff EV
Betting the turn is optional, but fold to the raise. Perhaps a better option on the turn is to check and evaluate the action... See if you can snipe a late position bettor with a check/raise (supposing you have a read that indicates he would have bet the kinf on the flop). If not, the pot is really really small, so check/muck is still a very good turn line. The river is pretty terrible.
By the way, I hate betting this flop. If we do have equity, we are vulnerable to losing it at a later time when we fold correctly to a raise behind us. Small pot, let's see what the turn brings.
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#15
10-20-2005, 02:30 PM
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Re: Bluff EV
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By the way, I hate betting this flop. If we do have equity, we are vulnerable to losing it at a later time when we fold correctly to a raise behind us. Small pot, let's see what the turn brings. [/ QUOTE ] You should consider some of Entity's thoughts on a very similar hand. After thinking about it for a while, I think I agree with him.
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#16
10-20-2005, 02:34 PM
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Re: Bluff EV
Entity's hand
[ QUOTE ] Preflop: Hero is SB with J, 7. CO posts a blind of $2. UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, MP3 calls, CO (poster) checks, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks. Flop: (6 SB) 7, 3, Q (6 players) Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, CO bets, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls. Turn: (5 BB) Q (2 players) Hero bets, CO calls. River: (7 BB) 9 (2 players) Hero bets, CO calls. [/ QUOTE ] Im also cool with this check raise. Im not sure if you were agreeing with my assessment or not, aaron.
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#17
10-20-2005, 02:40 PM
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Re: Bluff EV
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Im also cool with this check raise. Im not sure if you were agreeing with my assessment or not, aaron. [/ QUOTE ] I think you didn't look closely enough. Here's what Entity says further down in the post (the hand wasn't posted by Entity)... [ QUOTE ] Part of the reason I lead here and might c/r a more coordinated flop is that there are less draws that can lead this flop, and less hands overall that will call. It's a surefire way of thinning the field somewhat. [/ QUOTE ] In response to your... [ QUOTE ] By the way, I hate betting this flop. [/ QUOTE ] Betting the flop isn't nearly as bad as you think it is.
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#18
10-20-2005, 02:47 PM
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Re: Bluff EV
Since we have the option of checking in a small pot to see how much the field likes their hands, I don't see why we should pay to sacrifice this versatility. We have a lot of options after checking, but betting here gives us very few for the later streets. i want some more information.
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#19
10-20-2005, 03:02 PM
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Re: Bluff EV
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Since we have the option of checking in a small pot to see how much the field likes their hands, I don't see why we should pay to sacrifice this versatility. We have a lot of options after checking, but betting here gives us very few for the later streets. i want some more information. [/ QUOTE ] I think the small field would be one of the reasons you would WANT to bet the flop. Less opponents means less chance someone connected, especially on a board like this. You must bet to protect your hand. No reason to check and give your 2 opponents a free card to draw out on you with.
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#20
10-20-2005, 03:06 PM
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Re: Bluff EV
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Since we have the option of checking in a small pot to see how much the field likes their hands, I don't see why we should pay to sacrifice this versatility. We have a lot of options after checking, but betting here gives us very few for the later streets. i want some more information. [/ QUOTE ] There's a great chance we pick up the pot right now. Only 3 opponents, completely uncoordinated board, small pot. There's only 1 overcard to the board so no draws can call profitably, particularly since even something like AQ looks like it has 3 outs. Edit: Also our hand is vulnerable - half the deck brings overcards to our pair. Get your opponents to fold now.
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