JJJ vs. Passive-Agressive and a Tricky Lag

IGMorton · #1 08-08-2005, 01:37 AM

TLAG is a tricky lag pain in the neck... impossible to read. (38/14/2.0)

PA is a passive-agressive solid player who doesn't raise much, but is winning over 200 hands (34/2.5/.5).

Comments on all streets appreciated. I was pretty sure i knew what they were both holding on the river...

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Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, CO (TLAG) calls, 1 fold, SB (PA) calls, 1 fold, UTG caps, Hero calls, CO (TLAG) calls, SB (PA) calls.

Flop: (17 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
PA checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, TLAG calls, PA calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (12.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
PA checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, TLAG raises, PA calls, UTG folds, Hero 3-bets, TLAG caps, PA calls, Hero calls.

River: (23.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
PA checks, Hero bets, TLAG raises, PA 3-bets, Hero calls, TLAG caps, PA calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 35.50 BB

TheMetetron · #2 08-08-2005, 01:47 AM

I cap the river.

wackjob · #3 08-08-2005, 01:52 AM

I don't cap the river, I think you are throwing away money. A10, A6 both just bigger boated you and will laugh and take your extra bets. I am calling the river.

IGMorton · #4 08-08-2005, 01:52 AM

i really wanted to... but the insane turn play combined with cold-calling preflop gave me a read (that i ignored).

what hands are you putting them on?

imported_leader · #5 08-08-2005, 02:22 AM

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what hands are you putting them on?

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TLAG looks a lot like TT or 66. PA AK, AQ, ATs

IGMorton · #6 08-08-2005, 04:12 AM

do you make both calls on the river?

after i bet it, the lag raised and then a passive-aggressive reraised... it seems my first call was probably questionable.

after the lag capped it and the passive-agressive called... you make that 2nd call?

IGMorton · #7 08-08-2005, 04:33 PM

funny thing happened. they have the same hand!

Redd · #8 08-08-2005, 04:48 PM

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do you make both calls on the river?

after i bet it, the lag raised and then a passive-aggressive reraised... it seems my first call was probably questionable.

after the lag capped it and the passive-agressive called... you make that 2nd call?

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I think we need to show this down. I'm not sure when we need to slowdown though. I'd probably check-call the river because it looks like the LAG (who's not that aggressive, based on his stats) might have just boated up two pair.

MVicuna · #9 08-08-2005, 07:02 PM

Hi,

Your ignoring KQ which the PA(really LP) wanted to not cap on the turn afraid to lose you.

The river action makes me want to vomit, But its 2/4 so you have to spend the 4BB to show it down.

At higher limits showing the underfull down on this board given this lineup is iffy given the LAG won't have a full house that often but is going to continue to raise, and the PA/LP will have a full house. Luckly the pot is HUGE so its a bigger mistake to fold then to call it down, but its rare a PA/LP is pumping the underfull here.

Later,
MarkV.