Who FOLDS?

Lmn55d · #1 07-27-2005, 04:48 PM

No reads.

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, Button raises, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets, SB calls, Hero raises, Button folds, SB calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

baronzeus · #2 07-27-2005, 04:51 PM

I guess against an unknown you have to call, for a read if nothing else, but it looks like you're splitting at best.I think these usually mean he "slowplayed" his Q.

JrJordan · #3 07-27-2005, 05:03 PM

Just a thought, but what do we think about checking the turn through? SB's flop call can be a few hands: KT, 9T, any Q, any J, mid/low PP (unlikely).

When the K hits on the turn, you're now behind 9T and chopping with KT who's freerolling the straight. A low pocket pair isn't calling another bet on that scare turn, and a Q is going to c/r you. Essentially we're getting value from a lower J and that's about it.

Checking this turn and calling any river bet UI is sounding pretty good right now.

MVicuna · #4 07-27-2005, 06:07 PM

Hi,

SB's call on the flop could very well be a Q or a draw. Your likely to get check-raised on this turn regardless of either, so checking it through is the best idea unless you know SB very well.

I make sure 1 bet goes in on the river and I call a check-raise unless SB is ultra loose passive or tight and tricky. When you check the turn you are saying I have a king or a jack. A good player may check his Q on the river knowing your likely to bet the river and CR you to make up the missed turn bet.

Given the river, I fold. He's not afraid of this board. he's going to have a Ten or a Queen.

Later,
MarkV.

spamuell · #5 07-27-2005, 06:10 PM

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Essentially we're getting value from a lower J and that's about it.

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A lower J has the same hand as us, QQJJK. If we can't fold to a check-raise then I'm definitely checking through the turn and calling/betting the river.

EDIT: I am officially a retard.

Lmn55d · #6 07-27-2005, 06:11 PM

I dunno if I like checking the turn through bevcause there are a lot of draws who would call. Yea, they might bet the river if they miss which offsets this value loss a bit.

Lmn55d · #7 07-27-2005, 06:12 PM

A lower j does not have the same hand as us.

spamuell · #8 07-27-2005, 06:17 PM

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A lower j does not have the same hand as us.

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oops wtf. No more posting for me tonight, and I'm certainly not playing.

arkady · #9 07-27-2005, 06:18 PM

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Essentially we're getting value from a lower J and that's about it.

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A lower J has the same hand as us, QQJJK. If we can't fold to a check-raise then I'm definitely checking through the turn and calling/betting the river.

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if by lower J you mean one with the K kicker, yes. then its the same hand.

the river brought a lot of semibluffs home, so its hard to imagine what you beat here. but its also easier to say fold than to actually do it.

sthief09 · #10 07-27-2005, 06:19 PM

you're playing for half the pot on the river. I fold