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Old 08-02-2005, 03:53 AM
Al_Capone_Junior Al_Capone_Junior is offline
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Default Live no limit hand for cussin\' and discussin\'

I limp with QhTh on the button after a bunch of limpers. No raise. Flop comes QJT rainbow with one heart. SB bets $10, BB raises to $25. Everyone else folds to me.

I think about it for a while, then fold. My reasoning here...

The BB is probably raising with a hand that can BEAT top pair. There are only a few hands he can possibly have if this is correct, QJ, JT, QT, 89, K9, AK (unlikely, since no raise), or a set (also not especially likely, again, no raise). So assuming no set, there's one hand that I can beat (JT) and one that I tie (QT) and the rest I lose to. Obviously there are no pot odds to draw to a full house, and even then, some of my boats I could lose with anyway.

So I folded.

Results later.

Comments?

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OK, so here's one buddy of mine (with a drastically different playing style) who threw in his 2c...

"First of all...why are you limping in the pot in the first place and putting yourself in that position of "second guessing" yourself, when a standard raise would given you more information on what your up against....after all, your on the button, seen all the limpers, and was perhaps a good time to get some people out with the Queen/Ten suited which you had....?

secondly, since no raise pre-flop, I'm guessing no premium hands here....so putting them on the best of all worlds (a set, 8/9, A/K, Q/J) highly unlikely, but of course possible...I don't know what kind of table you were on, but assuming it's an average table, except for the 8/9, possibly the 10/10, I'm sure there would of been raises if the other possibilites...

Okay, the guy puts the pseudo-standard "feeler" bet of 10 bucks to see where he is at...the other guy raises to 25 to get YOU out, added protection, and probably has a piece of it...I would have to think you have the best hand in this situation...and I would of probably re-raised a large amount (putting the raiser on A/Q? or K/Q? Or Q/rag?...but once again, I don't know the type of players you are talking about...were they very tight and now suddenly started betting big? Or are they loose? I always think one should trust their instincts....if you folded, there must of been a reason.

YES, I agree with you, it's a dangerous board... if they pick up the straight, or already have the straight, that puts you on the task of pulling out a full-house....or runner runner flush...."

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Raise preflop? Just limp? Make a large reraise on the flop? Just call? Fold?

comments please on all of it.

al
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