The last stand of the American Republic....

[Warik]

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such an obvious failed human being

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He is the former governor of Texas and two-time President of the United States. What have you accomplished?

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poo-poo his repeated violations of our civil rights,

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Please explain, in detail, how any of your civil rights have been violated. Note that I'm not talking about "our" civil rights. I'm talking about YOUR civil rights. What "right" did you have before Dubya's first term began that you do not have anymore?

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dictatorial machine.

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People who have lived under a real dictatorship would laugh at you... even more than I am laughing right now. Are we living in the same country?

[Exsubmariner]

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Are we living in the same country?

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No. There is a different America for red states and blue states. There is a different America for Republicans and Democrats. There is a different America for men and women. There is a different America for adults and children. There is a different America for Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu, Taoist, Wiccan, and Buddist. There is a different America for Black, White, Asian and Hispanic. There is a different America for rich and poor. There is a different America for any idealogue who wants to make one for the advancement of their own power and influence. There is different America for everyone.

[MtSmalls]

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Please explain, in detail, how any of your civil rights have been violated. Note that I'm not talking about "our" civil rights. I'm talking about YOUR civil rights.

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This is entirely the point. Its not about whether any of MY rights have been violated, personally. If the rights of one can be violated, the rights of ALL can be violated. (First they came for the gypsies, then the homosexuals...). The right of American citizens not to be detained without recourse to due process and the legal system has already been violated. The right of unreasonable search and seizure has been violated. (and NO Clinton and Carter did it within the rules of FISA, not by fiat).

Less than 10 years ago, half of this country was up in arms, saying no President was above the law. The rule of law applies to everyone, in reference to the Clinton impeachment over perjury. But this adminstration has thrown two elements of the Bill of Rights out the window, is hiding a traitor who outed, or orchestrated the outing of, a CIA agent, and yet those same people are not only quiet about these laws being broken, but are bending over backwards to offer excuses for these actions.

While much of the sloganeering and posturing by both sides has been overly strident, there are some simple truths here learned by every child who makes it through basic Civics classes. Our civil rights are being slowly degraded. If we don't stand up for them now, where will we be in five years? 10 years? 20 years?

[CORed]

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Please explain, in detail, how any of your civil rights have been violated. Note that I'm not talking about "our" civil rights. I'm talking about YOUR civil rights. What "right" did you have before Dubya's first term began that you do not have anymore?

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When they came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.


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[Grisgra]

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Please explain, in detail, how any of your civil rights have been violated. Note that I'm not talking about "our" civil rights. I'm talking about YOUR civil rights. What "right" did you have before Dubya's first term began that you do not have anymore?

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When they came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.


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It's really, really sad that this wonderful quote needs to be brought out so often these days.

[Meech]

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It's really, really sad that this wonderful quote needs to be brought out so often these days.

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But does it do any good?

I mean, really -- we are at WAR dontchaknow? What the #&$@ did those old folks that wrote the stupid bill of rights know about terrorism? Nothing. Did I mention we are at WAR?

The stupid pro-terrorist pansies are defending the bill of rights? Did I mention we are at WAR?

[Grisgra]

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It's really, really sad that this wonderful quote needs to be brought out so often these days.

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But does it do any good?

I mean, really -- we are at WAR dontchaknow? What the #&$@ did those old folks that wrote the stupid bill of rights know about terrorism? Nothing. Did I mention we are at WAR?

The stupid pro-terrorist pansies are defending the bill of rights? Did I mention we are at WAR?

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Not to mention the TROOPS! Support of any conflict we find ourselves in is mandatory, because if we do not support it fully and one-hundred-percent, we are disrespecting the TROOPS and their brave, brave, sacrifices.

[whiskeytown]

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I mean, really -- we are at WAR dontchaknow?

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Checked the congressional record -

At no time has Congress executed it's constitutional duty and declared War - either on Iraq, Afghanistan, or Terror.

so sue me if I don't like seeing erosion of my civil rights in peacetime.

RB

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At no time has Congress executed it's constitutional duty and declared War - either on Iraq, Afghanistan, or Terror.

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It has effectively done so by appropriating funds for those conflicts. And it is the reality of war that is important, not legal technicalities such as the one you are trying to make and which are used as excuses for failing to make temporary sacrifices required of all citizens during wartime.

But hey, the enemies of the United States appreciate your attempts to limit the effectiveness of our government in dealing with them. They depend upon the selfishness of those american citizens who refuse to make small temporary sacrifices of personal liberties while our troops are dying in the field in order that they might win through a strategy of sapping our political will to get us not to engage them when such engagements can only be won with timeframes longer than 6 months.

[QuadsOverQuads]

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At no time has Congress executed it's constitutional duty and declared War - either on Iraq, Afghanistan, or Terror.

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It has effectively done so by appropriating funds for those conflicts. And it is the reality of war that is important, not legal technicalities such as the one you are trying to make and which are used as excuses for failing to make temporary sacrifices required of all citizens during wartime.

But hey, the enemies of the United States appreciate your attempts to limit the effectiveness of our government in dealing with them. They depend upon the selfishness of those american citizens who refuse to make small temporary sacrifices of personal liberties while our troops are dying in the field in order that they might win through a strategy of sapping our political will to get us not to engage them when such engagements can only be won with timeframes longer than 6 months.

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Fascist.


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