Problem with 5/10 to 10/20 transition

Foribald · #1 10-31-2005, 07:08 PM

I'm making around 3BB/100 at 5/10 then I tried playing some 10/20 and first won 5000$ to lose 6000% thats 300BB which I thought was to much. I went down to 5/10 again to fix my game. I got my VPIP up from 24-28 and sr 37-41.

Then today I tried my luck at 10/20 again and lost 1500$. What I'm I doing wrong!?

Agg factor: 3.2
SR: 42%
VPIP 28%
Folded BB to sr: 50%
Folded SB to sr: 87%
Folded BB to steal HU: 30%

Please help me out here...a

Drontier · #2 10-31-2005, 07:11 PM

you steal too much. and if youre still thinking about the game in terms of days, we have a problem. You won't truly know where you are unless you log 100 thousands of hands. Short term variance is amazing

Foribald · #3 10-31-2005, 07:13 PM

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you steal too much. and if youre still thinking about the game in terms of days, we have a problem. You won't truly know where you are unless you log 100 thousands of hands. Short term variance is amazing

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Its like 350BB sounds like to much. I've been playing around 20 000 there. Forgot to say it's 6max

baronzeus · #4 10-31-2005, 07:16 PM

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you steal too much. and if youre still thinking about the game in terms of days, we have a problem. You won't truly know where you are unless you log 100 thousands of hands. Short term variance is amazing

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Its like 350BB sounds like to much. I've been playing around 20 000 there. Forgot to say it's 6max

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350BB is a lot . can you post your showdown numbers?

i am a bit looser in the blinds than you vs steals (80/45) and steal a slight bit less (38) but other than that we are very similar in stats. i think i play on average 5.6 handed recently and my VPIP/PFR is 28.58/20.02.

your aggression street by street is probably way higher than mine. my total aggression is like 2.2 or something.

Foribald · #5 10-31-2005, 07:18 PM

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you steal too much. and if youre still thinking about the game in terms of days, we have a problem. You won't truly know where you are unless you log 100 thousands of hands. Short term variance is amazing

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Went to SD 36%
PFR 20%

Its like 350BB sounds like to much. I've been playing around 20 000 there. Forgot to say it's 6max

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350BB is a lot . can you post your showdown numbers?

i am a bit looser in the blinds than you vs steals (80/45) and steal a slight bit less (38) but other than that we are very similar in stats. i think i play on average 5.6 handed recently and my VPIP/PFR is 28.58/20.02.

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baronzeus · #6 10-31-2005, 07:20 PM

please post your aggression stats as well. and your Won $ at SD % stat.

D.H. · #7 10-31-2005, 07:16 PM

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I'm making around 3BB/100 at 5/10

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Over how many hands?

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I went down to 5/10 again to fix my game. I got my VPIP up from 24-28

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I think this could be where you're doing something wrong. It takes many, many hands to see what difference in winrate this change made. If you're comfortable with your 24 VPIP at 5/10 and have a high winrate over a large number of hands playing this way, it will work pretty well at 10/20 too. You don't have to be a 30/20 player to be successful at 10/20.

Foribald · #8 10-31-2005, 07:21 PM

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I'm making around 3BB/100 at 5/10

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Over how many hands?

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I went down to 5/10 again to fix my game. I got my VPIP up from 24-28

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I think this could be where you're doing something wrong. It takes many, many hands to see what difference in winrate this change made. If you're comfortable with your 24 VPIP at 5/10 and have a high winrate over a large number of hands playing this way, it will work pretty well at 10/20 too. You don't have to be a 30/20 player to be successful at 10/20.

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Over 20 000 hands... think its weird a 3BB/100 play on 5/10 cannot be a losing play at 10/20

sammy_g · #9 10-31-2005, 07:49 PM

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Over 20 000 hands... think its weird a 3BB/100 play on 5/10 cannot be a losing play at 10/20

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I had a stretch of about 100k hands where I was playing both 5/10 and 10/20 on and off. Over 50k hands at 5/10, I was 4BB/100. Over 50k hands at 10/20, I was breakeven. So who knows. I made a long, whiny post about it once.

There's a disgusting amount of variance in poker. Also 10/20 simply plays different. The good players are better, and the bad players are different.

If I had to guess, I would say you are a small winner at 10/20 who hasn't quite adjusted yet and is running really bad.

You might go back to 5/10 for a bit, rebuild, then take another shot. Think about datamining the 10/20 and focus on good table selection. Maybe play fewer tables and concentrate on playing good poker. Don't give up on 10/20 yet.

Good luck.

Silverback · #10 10-31-2005, 07:21 PM

What position are you losing the money, compared to when you were at $5/$10.

Id guess it would be in the blinds since the game is more aggressive and hence thats where you need to adapt your game.

(Obviously positional winrates vary alot based on sample size)

Tighten up a bit on steals when moving up, loosen up when you feel more comfortable at the limit.