OT: did i collude?

[bawcerelli]

You guys consider this collusion? it's edited to the relevant parts.

Table '15321412 1' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 4: I´maCRIMINAL (7310 in chips)
Seat 6: gentleman55 (1480 in chips)
Seat 9: Angel713 (4710 in chips)
I´maCRIMINAL: posts the ante 50
gentleman55: posts the ante 50
Angel713: posts the ante 50
I´maCRIMINAL: posts small blind 300
gentleman55: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to gentleman55 [Qd Ks]
Angel713: folds
gentleman55 said, "i got a good hand"
I´maCRIMINAL: folds
gentleman55 collected 750 from pot
gentleman55: shows [Qd Ks] (high card King)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 750 | Rake 0
Seat 4: I´maCRIMINAL (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: gentleman55 (big blind) collected (750)
Seat 9: Angel713 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

few hands later:


vel IX (300/600) - 2005/11/19 - 09:26:41 (ET)
Table '15321412 1' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 4: I´maCRIMINAL (2475 in chips)
Seat 6: gentleman55 (1705 in chips)
Seat 9: Angel713 (9320 in chips)
09:26:41 I´maCRIMINAL: posts the ante 50
09:26:41 gentleman55: posts the ante 50
09:26:41 Angel713: posts the ante 50
09:26:41 Moving Bets to Pot
09:26:41 I´maCRIMINAL: posts small blind 300
09:26:41 gentleman55: posts big blind 600
09:26:41 *** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to I´maCRIMINAL [Js Ad]
09:26:41
Dealt to gentleman55 [Tc As]
09:26:42 I´maCRIMINAL said, "phu"
09:26:44 Angel713: folds
09:26:45 gentleman55 said, "oh sweet"
09:26:47 gentleman55 said, "i got a good hand"
09:26:49 gentleman55 said, "u better fold"
09:26:50 gentleman55 said, "ace"
09:26:51 gentleman55 said, "ten"
09:26:56 gentleman55 said, "i'l lshow"
09:26:58 gentleman55 said, "i'll show"
09:26:59 I´maCRIMINAL said, "Aj"
09:27:01 gentleman55 said, "i promise"
09:27:01 I´maCRIMINAL: raises 1825 to 2425 and is all-in
09:27:03 gentleman55: calls 1055 and is all-in
09:27:03 Moving Bets to Pot
09:27:07 gentleman55 said, "lol"
09:27:07 *** FLOP *** [4c Qc 9h]
09:27:09 gentleman55 said, "nh"
09:27:13 *** TURN *** [4c Qc 9h] [5h]
09:27:15 I´maCRIMINAL said, "lol"
09:27:16 gentleman55 said, "ten"
09:27:16 *** RIVER *** [4c Qc 9h 5h] [2h]
09:27:18 gentleman55 said, "aw rigged"
09:27:19 *** SHOW DOWN ***
I´maCRIMINAL: shows [Js Ad] (high card Ace)
09:27:19 gentleman55: shows [Tc As] (high card Ace - lower kicker)
09:27:20 gentleman55 said, "gg"
09:27:22 I´maCRIMINAL collected 3460 from pot
09:27:23 I´maCRIMINAL said, "gg"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3460 | Rake 0
Board [4c Qc 9h 5h 2h]
Seat 4: I´maCRIMINAL (small blind) showed [Js Ad] and won (3460) with
high
card Ace
Seat 6: gentleman55 (big blind) showed [Tc As] and lost with high card
Ace

I wouldn't consider it collusion, exactly, since you're apparently not planning on getting anything for it. It's still awfully bad poker etiquette (at a minimum) to reveal your hole cards during play (don't know if it's necessarily against the rules for a specific site, and don't especially feel like checking).

I'd probably be annoyed at the first hand chatter, too, even though in that case you didn't actually reveal your hand. Not annoyed enough to complain to anyone, though (and I assume you're posting this because someone at the table whined at some point).

[wiggs73]

I don't really get it. You sound as if you want hands worse than AT to fold. Why?

[bawcerelli]

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I don't really get it. You sound as if you want hands worse than AT to fold. Why?

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Cause i don't feel like getting sucked out on against a 40/60 when a fold by him doubles my stack from 1000 to 1900.

[bawcerelli]

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It's still awfully bad poker etiquette (at a minimum) to reveal your hole cards during play (

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even if it's heads up? and besides how in the world do they know if i'm telling the truth or not? i could have 27o and be lying my ass of to get a fold.

[DeathbySuckout]

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I don't really get it. You sound as if you want hands worse than AT to fold. Why?

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Cause i don't feel like getting sucked out on against a 40/60 when a fold by him doubles my stack from 1000 to 1900.

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You need to learn about poker.

[wiggs73]

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Cause i don't feel like getting sucked out on against a 40/60 when a fold by him doubles my stack from 1000 to 1900.

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This type of thinking is a pretty big leak, IMO.

[bawcerelli]

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I don't really get it. You sound as if you want hands worse than AT to fold. Why?

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Cause i don't feel like getting sucked out on against a 40/60 when a fold by him doubles my stack from 1000 to 1900.

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You need to learn about poker.

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if he folds my stack goes to 1900, his to 2100. he's button next hand, but afterwards he'll be facing the BB and if i don't push into him big stack might. it just seems to me if he folds a weaker hand say Q5o instead of pushing, i have better equity in the tourney, based on current stacks and position. maybe i'm wrong though.

You clearly colluded because you worked with this other guy to hurt the other people in the tourny. They lose EV because of the fact that you guys aren't playing against each other (or are playing against each other less frequently than normal).

[DeathbySuckout]

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maybe i'm wrong though.


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The only thing you're wrong about making decisions based on being afraid of suckouts. Don't do it.