Folding KK on the turn

jrbick · #1 12-11-2005, 04:34 AM

I'm thinking about this decision purely based upon the flop action.

EDIT to say that both of these players are pretty bad. UTG here plays too many hands but his aggression was fairly normal. I don't remember much else about them cuz I just pulled this from PT.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: (10 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, SB raises, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero should probably fold now, right?

Good/Bad/issckm?

LoaferGee12 · #2 12-11-2005, 04:36 AM

Nah, I don't think so. UTG looks like he could have some sort of pocket pair or a jack, and who knows what SB has. If SB check-raises then you can drop it fairly easily.

yellowjack · #3 12-11-2005, 04:37 AM

The donk SB called 2.5 SB cold PF. I'm calling this down HU, and betting the river if checked to.

jrbick · #4 12-11-2005, 04:50 AM

I'm not at all concerned with SB, it was UTG that I didn't like.

yellowjack · #5 12-11-2005, 05:00 AM

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Ahh I see. Looks like he has the whole slowplay the flop, get them on the turn thing going. Pot is really big by now, and this sometimes makes opponents play stupid, but I'm doomed to call down at this point.

Peter Harris · #6 12-11-2005, 05:16 AM

i dont think it's time to fold. I'm inclined to 3-bet the flop here, i don't make SB for an ace here (without any read i'd say an SB would slowplay an ace here versus your PFR). UTG is a concern as they did raise PF, and cold called the flop raise.

Then led the turn...i think i'd call the turn, fold if SB c/rs again (if SB did that and UTG had an ace, you'd be 3bet out of the pot anyway), and call a single river bet to take notes.

UTG is definitely the scare player, but we can't assume we're behind just yet.

jrbick · #7 12-11-2005, 05:26 AM

Thanks for the input. I'm paranoid that I'm taking big hands like KK and AA to showdown too often in the face of aggression.

I called the flop intending to raise the turn (which I did). I agree that I should 3bet the flop here, but what do I do if I get blasted on latter streets? There's got to be a point where I can give this up in the face of aggression, no?