99, a maniac, and some interesting turn action

MrWookie47 · #1 10-05-2005, 05:39 PM

Here's a hand I just played that I wasn't too sure about.

Reads: CO in this hand was a borderline maniac. His stats were 75/33/2.3. He would bet and raise a lot of hands, but he might slow down if shown a lot of heat. He was also running extremely well, up almost 50 BB over not that many hands, which no doubt factors into his high stats somewhat. He sees a lot of showdowns, but his trashy starting hands kept hitting.

Button was quite loose, but I didn't have as many hands on him. He seemed pretty passive.

Party Poker 3.00/6.00 Hold'em (5 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 folds, CO raises, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.00 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.00 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets, Button calls, SB calls, Hero raises, CO calls, Button 3-bets, SB folds, Hero calls, CO calls.

River: (16.00 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero calls, CO folds.

Final Pot: 18.00 BB.

#2 10-05-2005, 05:45 PM

I would lead the flop hoping to get CO to raise, I think that's a nice opportunity to protect our hand. Everything else looks good, pot is so big that I guess you have to call the river.

#3 10-05-2005, 05:45 PM

Do you mean that you should cap the turn? I wouldnt do it. I would probably have CRd the flop though.
edit. Leading into the pf better is probably better.

gharp · #4 10-05-2005, 05:45 PM

I think this is a situation where I'd bet into the maniac on the flop and hope he'd raise up his garbage to blow away the button & SB. I definitely think I'd find a raise somewhere on that flop.

Button (you say a passive player) check/3-betting the turn scares the ever-loving crap out of me. I'd probably call the river anyway, but it's close...

MrWookie47 · #5 10-05-2005, 05:46 PM

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Do you mean that you should cap the turn? I wouldnt do it. I would probably have CRd the flop though.

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I was much closer to folding the turn than capping it.

#6 10-05-2005, 05:49 PM

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Do you mean that you should cap the turn? I wouldnt do it. I would probably have CRd the flop though.

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I was much closer to folding the turn than capping it.

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Can't fold the turn can we? How much do you discount our 7's if at all?

#7 10-05-2005, 05:49 PM

oups didnt notice that it was the button became active. thought it was the maniac. yeah, that sucks. I think we are beat here. He has 88 or something when he CCs.

Student Caine · #8 10-05-2005, 05:50 PM

"Interesting" is a good word. WTF do we call Button's turn play? A donk re-raise?

I guess I don't know what I would do differently here. I have a hard time folding an overpair on the turn, but I don't like that a passive player has shown aggression here (even if he has shown it in an odd way like this). I guess at this point I do exactly what you do, get to the showdown as cheaply as possible.

Good "wait to raise" imo. It would be nice if we could force at least one player to call two cold, but I think that our equity edge is enough to justify a raise here.

MrWookie47 · #9 10-05-2005, 05:52 PM

Heh. Crap. I actually wasn't paying attention to my gutterball outs. I can call this turn with 3 outs, though, so with 3 minimum for the 7's and 2 for the 9's, folding would be a pretty big mistake getting 15:1.

matt hooley · #10 10-05-2005, 05:54 PM

I like betting the flop, even though you're offering 9-1 you're hoping a fair percentage to get raised by the PFR near-maniac. Raising the turn is ok, since you haven't assumed the roll of aggressor up to this point and you might possibly use the 5 to your advantage. from there on out the play seems rather standard.