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Love em\' or hate em\'?
Hand 1
No read, just posted. Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font> BB ($77.4) UTG ($50) UTG+1 ($193.38) UTG+2 ($59.3) MP1 ($102.55) MP2 ($14.38) MP3 ($43.75) Hero ($50) Button ($56.5) SB ($66.2) Preflop: Hero is CO with 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.5. SB posts a blind of $0.25. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero (poster) checks, Button calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB checks. Flop: ($2.25) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> BB checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, Button calls $1.50, BB folds, MP1 folds. Turn: ($5.25) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, Button calls $3. River: ($11.25) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5</font>, Button folds. Final Pot: $16.25 Hand 2 Facing two look-up artist. One is semi-lag and the other is a gambler, but not a stupid gambler. Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (9 handed) converter saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font> Button ($48.4) SB ($26.15) Hero ($52.65) UTG ($22.7) UTG+1 ($32.25) MP1 ($43) MP2 ($10.5) MP3 ($48.25) CO ($58.95) Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25. <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $1.5</font>, SB (poster) calls $1.25, Hero calls $1. Flop: ($4.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, Button calls $3, SB calls $3. Turn: ($13.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4</font>, Button folds, SB folds. Final Pot: $17.50 Hand 3 Villian is decently solid. I feel I buthcered this one. I should have bet the turn. I also didn't want to price him in on the river for I felt I had a better chance of getting called by a K or Q with a stronger river bet, rather than a 1/3 value bet. I should have probably potted it here. Comments? Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (10 handed) converter saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font> SB ($53.5) Hero ($49.5) UTG ($54.95) UTG+1 ($76.65) UTG+2 ($35.14) MP1 ($47.5) MP2 ($62.15) MP3 ($139.13) CO ($95.45) Button ($44.65) Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero checks. Flop: ($1.75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets $1</font>, MP3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises to $7</font>, Hero calls $3. Turn: ($15.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, UTG+2 checks. River: ($15.75) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, UTG+2 folds. Final Pot: $25.75 |
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Re: Love em\' or hate em\'?
Hand 1-
Hate it. I'd fold preflop. You are also semi-bluffing to the non-nut flush. One of your opponents could be drawing to the A-high flush causing you to lose pretty big if you "hit" one of your outs on the turn or river. Hand 2- That's pretty gutsy. I wouldn't do it, but I like it. You must have had a pretty good read. The pot stayed manageable, and your bet on the scary turn was convincingly large enough to fold out non-Qs, but small enough to make it look like you WANTED a caller because you "had" the Q yourself (or better). Nice play. 3- Looks OK to me. |
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Re: Love em\' or hate em\'?
what do you think villain had in Hand 3?
i saw you checked the turn. what were you planning to do on the turn? did that 2nd ten slow you down? when i was reading thru the hand I thought you had lost once the 2nd T paired the board, as I put villain on 33 or 44. but after seeing the results i'd put villain on an overpair that missed a preflop check/raise. |
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Re: Love em\' or hate em\'?
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Hand 1- Hate it. I'd fold preflop. You are also semi-bluffing to the non-nut flush. One of your opponents could be drawing to the A-high flush causing you to lose pretty big if you "hit" one of your outs on the turn or river. Hand 2- That's pretty gutsy. I wouldn't do it, but I like it. You must have had a pretty good read. The pot stayed manageable, and your bet on the scary turn was convincingly large enough to fold out non-Qs, but small enough to make it look like you WANTED a caller because you "had" the Q yourself (or better). Nice play. 3- Looks OK to me. [/ QUOTE ] I posted in the first hand. Should I still fold? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
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Re: Love em\' or hate em\'?
I think it's incredible that they folded to that weak bet in hand two. I can't imagine you expected them to. (So why did you make it?)
Hand 1: I post in the CO too, but every time I get dealt Q2o I forget why I do that. I would check the turn anyway, since you have no reads. I don't know about the river bet if he checks behind. Can't see him folding anything that beats you for a half pot bet, except a three (unlikly) or Ad2. Check calling is probably better. I would just check fold with no reads. Hand 3: You should lead the turn and fold to a push I guess, but chances are you won't get anything more out of villain anyway. $10 is fine size. |
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Re: Love em\' or hate em\'?
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what do you think villain had in Hand 3? i saw you checked the turn. what were you planning to do on the turn? did that 2nd ten slow you down? when i was reading thru the hand I thought you had lost once the 2nd T paired the board, as I put villain on 33 or 44. but after seeing the results i'd put villain on an overpair that missed a preflop check/raise. [/ QUOTE ] My inital read was over cards, or I was hoping K10, A10. I checked the turn because I was raised and called and was giving up control of the hand to the aggressor hoping he would lead. He was smart enough not to though and I lost him. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] |
#7
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Re: Love em\' or hate em\'?
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I think it's incredible that they folded to that weak bet in hand two. I can't imagine you expected them to. (So why did you make it?) Hand 1: I post in the CO too, but every time I get dealt Q2o I forget why I do that. I would check the turn anyway, since you have no reads. I don't know about the river bet if he checks behind. Can't see him folding anything that beats you for a half pot bet, except a three (unlikly) or Ad2. Check calling is probably better. I would just check fold with no reads. Hand 3: You should lead the turn and fold to a push I guess, but chances are you won't get anything more out of villain anyway. $10 is fine size. [/ QUOTE ] Actually hand 2 I knew they would fold. Like I said, they were look-up artist and and anything other then that bet I think may have been called. That's actually the only hand I really like. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Hand 1 I'm just doing your basic leading out into a big field with no reads and seeing what happens. Doesn't everyone do that? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I felt like if I stayed strong I had a decent chance of taking down the pot. It was probably mostly optimism on my part. Hand 3, why would I fold to a push? Are you going to give villian that much credit for a set/made boat? Why? Because he'd push against a likely flush? Just curious.... |
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Re: Love em\' or hate em\'?
Ugh. Maybe I should have read that more closely.
In that case, the flop bet might have been more convincing with just .5 more at $2, just because it looks stronger to me than $1.25 in a $2.25 pot. The turn I'm not so sure about. Would you have still won if you check the turn and bet the river? I just can't see what he called you with on the turn that he folded to on the river unless he really was drawing to the A-high flush with AdXo. As it worked out, you applied constant, controlled, steady pressure on all streets with the intention of folding (I assume) to a raise at any point. As long as you know that you are playing with fire if the flush DOES hit, I guess it's OK. I'm still queesy about semi-bluffing too much to a non-nut flush. What do you think he had? KJo with Jd? 99 with 9d? QJo with Jd? AJo or Axo (no pair) with Ad? |
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Re: Love em\' or hate em\'?
</font><blockquote><font class="small">Svar på:</font><hr />
Actually hand 2 I knew they would fold. Like I said, they were look-up artist.. [/ QUOTE ] Ah, look-up artists. English is not my first language, so I didn't get that. Sorry [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] I still think the bet is too weak, but if your read is that they will fold, it's no problem of course. </font><blockquote><font class="small">Svar på:</font><hr /> Hand 3, why would I fold to a push? Are you going to give villian that much credit for a set/made boat? Why? Because he'd push against a likely flush? Just curious.... [/ QUOTE ] Because you said he was solid. His min-reraise contradicts that though. If he doesn't have 56 that is, then it could be an ok play if he knew you would check the turn to him with anything. |
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Re: Love em\' or hate em\'?
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Hand 3, why would I fold to a push? Are you going to give villian that much credit for a set/made boat? Why? Because he'd push against a likely flush? Just curious.... [/ QUOTE ] I've lost a lot of money with a nut-flush on a paired board (so it wasn't really the nuts, now was it). I almost wrote on the top of my monitor, "Never raise all-in with a flush on a paired board." And I'd rather raise than call, so I wouldn't call without a great read on the raiser, either. |
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