Please review this hand

Sidekick · #1 08-10-2004, 04:45 PM

I've been at the table about an hour, but there have been quite a few player changes. The table has been rather strange. One round the players seem aggressive and the next round or two they are extremely timid. The only player I have any decent kind of read on is the button and they are slightly loose, but not generally aggressive.

All comments are appreciated. I don't want to give any more information as I don't want to color any of the responses.

PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (11.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Button bets, UTG folds, Hero calls, MP3 folds, CO calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero calls, CO folds.

River: (9.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.25 BB

skierdude1000 · #2 08-10-2004, 04:55 PM

Let's look at the whole hand:

Preflop: Raise is good
Flop: You have to check since you are out of position for a free card play, and calling with about 7 outs is fine, but I would consider raising here
Turn: Since you checked on the river, the turn check-call is OK
River: I don't think you are 9% to win this hand with king high as any ace, any pp, any 2, any 3, any 4, or any 9 beats you. Pot is big, but you gotta know you win it at least 9% to call that
Calling that river bet should only

Sent · #3 08-10-2004, 05:46 PM

Raising the flop seems good to try and drive people out to up your chance of winning.

-Sent

tiltaholic · #4 08-10-2004, 06:19 PM

Hi-

Preflop - good.

Flop - Did you consider betting out? I don't know if this is better than check-raising, but to me, when the pre-flop raiser checks through a low card flop I immediately put them on overcards and I feel confident I can take control of the hand....unless I get check raised. At this point in the hand, I'm not giving anyone credit for a 2, 3, or 4 and KQ might be the best hand out there. Betting out may get a weak ace to fold. Is this the wrong way to think about it?

Turn- You picked up lotsa outs with the 4-flush so you're not folding here.

River - No help. When you say the the button was not aggressive, if that means button wouldn't bet without a hand, then I'd fold. I'd probably fold anyway since I can't see your hand being good 1 out of 9 times. Maybe thats weak?

skierdude1000 · #5 08-10-2004, 06:21 PM

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Raising the flop seems good to try and drive people out to up your chance of winning.

-Sent

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Not with a loose passive table. That will kill your pot odds or give bad hands good pot odds to keep playing. You want a multiway pot here, not a headsup pot

ScottTheFish · #6 08-10-2004, 06:37 PM

I'm folding the river unless I know the guy to be pretty aggressive. I can't imagine he's betting the river after you called all the way with anything you can beat.

The mantra is dont fold a decent hand for 1 bet on the river when the pot is big. K high is not a decent hand.

ncboiler · #7 08-10-2004, 07:08 PM

Button is not aggressive? He must have a hand even if its just bottom pair (if you call that a hand).

Sent · #8 08-10-2004, 07:10 PM

His position to the flop bettor was good to make people call 2 bets cold right? I would think he would draw to his overcards more so than anything else.

-Sent

ErrantNight · #9 08-10-2004, 08:39 PM

in most situations this preflop raise is bad... in a loose passive table you'll be getting a few less than everyone with this play... KQ suited plays well in multi-way pots, but when it doesn't hit with decent but not huge crowds around, you're throwing money away...

i think it could and would be argued that raising with the best (or potentially the best) hand preflop is good, especially when you know people will stick around, but i would argue on a loose passive table that from EARLY position you should save your raise (in late mid or late position this raise is fine) and see this flop cheaply

in this same scenario there's less in the pot if you checked preflop and a c/r on the flop or turn will have more power

but given the action and the reluctance of people to go away, your busted flush draw you picked up means you should be betting as a bluff to win this pot on the river... or folding, not calling

tiltaholic · #10 08-10-2004, 09:59 PM

Raising KQs from early position at party .5/1 is not throwing money away. I'd raise KQo in an unraised pot early as well. KQs is good! Not a hand to try to see the flop cheaply.