AQ...

mimih · #1 05-02-2005, 09:28 AM

hmm.. would anyone play this differently?

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets, CO calls, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

River: (14.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG+1 folds, MP2 checks, CO checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, CO folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 18.75 BB

istewart · #2 05-02-2005, 09:31 AM

I like raising the flop here.

Buckmulligan · #3 05-02-2005, 10:23 AM

[ QUOTE ]

I like raising the flop here.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'll echo that. It looks to me like you were trying to execute a slow play here, popping one on the turn. Playing hands like this will evolve into a major major leak if you aren't careful. Your hand is vulnerable, the pot is big, and you obviously think you have the best hand on the flop (you played like you had the best hand on the turn after you lost a lot of equity). Don't get into the habit of being cute. Making a raise standard here will help you significantly.

wireMan · #4 05-02-2005, 09:32 AM

Preflop - raise like you did
Flop - call like you did
Turn - I'm just calling here
River - I check here and see what happens, board is too scary for me.

adsman · #5 05-02-2005, 10:00 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Preflop - raise like you did

[/ QUOTE ]
agreed.

[/ QUOTE ]Flop - call like you did

[/ QUOTE ]
Raising is much better as it knocks out players behind you, improving your chances of winning.

[/ QUOTE ]Turn - I'm just calling here

[/ QUOTE ]
Then why call the flop? If you only call when the card drops that you want, why continue on the flop?.

[/ QUOTE ]River - I check here and see what happens, board is too scary for me.

[/ QUOTE ]
I probably check this river as well, in spite of UTG open folding. However, you're playing scared. When you play scared you only win when you end up having the best hand. When you play aggressively you pick up a lot of pots through your aggressive play. To all the posters who advocated checking and calling the turn, ask yourself why you are in the hand. If you catch one of the cards that you wanted, why are you playing scared? If you didn't want an Ace, why didn't you fold on the flop? When you're in a hand you need to have a plan. If an Ace falls on the turn, and you intend on checking and letting players who might be behind you at that point draw out on you, then all you were hoping for was a Queen, and you don't have the odds on the flop to continue if you're hoping for just a queen.

benkath1 · #6 05-02-2005, 02:01 PM

[ QUOTE ]
If you catch one of the cards that you wanted, why are you playing scared? If you didn't want an Ace, why didn't you fold on the flop? When you're in a hand you need to have a plan.

[/ QUOTE ]

Very nice. Thank you! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

gopnik · #7 05-02-2005, 02:10 PM

[ QUOTE ]

Preflop - raise like you did
Flop - call like you did
Turn - I'm just calling here
River - I check here and see what happens, board is too scary for me.

[/ QUOTE ]

Preflop - raise like you did
Flop - no, raise
Turn - no, raise
River - no, bet for value

crownjules · #8 05-02-2005, 02:34 PM

What does a raise accomplish here on the flop? Protection? Anyone with two clubs has the odds to call you (next to act is getting 6.25:1 odds). Anyone with an OESD has the odds to call you. Are you hoping to beat out Ax hands which, if you spike an Ace, you most likely have beat already? You have no made hand so it's certainly not for value.

I think you call this flop and if you improve on the turn with a non-scary card, that's when you set it off. Waiting for the turn protects your hand better as flush and straight draws will not have the correct odds to call you there. Unfortunately, the A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] improves both draws and makes it more likely one of them is complete.

To OP -

I like the hand. I'm split between playing the river as you did or just C/C it.

MrWookie47 · #9 05-02-2005, 02:44 PM

There are very, very few flops where you can offer flushes and OESDs improper odds to call. There are far more where they are making money with every bet that goes into the pot. You should virtually never be thinking about protecting your hand from these. You can protect from gutshots, however, and raising accomplishes that.

DeathDonkey · #10 05-02-2005, 04:03 PM

This post is exactly right, raising the flop here is pointless unless you actually think you have the best hand.

-DeathDonkey