Soooo Do I Fold For One Bet After Cap PF?

toss · #1 12-07-2005, 11:56 PM

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Loose Riverstation limps EP, I raise with black QQ MP, Tighter TAG that sees me as TAG also 3-bets it from SB, fish calls, I cap, they all call. 3 to the flop for 12 or 13 SBs.

Flop is J54 rainbow. SB bets, fish calls, Hero...

SB's hand range has me like crushed.

Shillx · #2 12-08-2005, 12:02 AM

Ok well raising sucks here. I dunno I'd probably call and fold if he bets again. We need to get about 3.5 BB back in implied odds and I think we can do it.

Harv72b · #3 12-08-2005, 12:05 AM

I call here for image reasons if nothing else. I don't want some semi-observant WSOP wannabe to think that he can push me off of hands that easily. And I don't want to lose that much respect off my raises.

If SB leads again on a non-Q (obviously) turn, I'll fold there. Assuming of course that you're utterly convinced he has you beat, which I wouldn't be--is it too far-fetched to think he'd play the other queens or even TT the same way, assuming he believes you'd cap AK in a multiway pot, with position?

lighterjobs · #4 12-08-2005, 12:06 AM

i would call down. you're getting 15:1 on this flop and even if you're dead to the two queens you're getting the right price to call this flop. i would definately fold the turn if an ace or king hits, though.

Maulik · #5 12-08-2005, 12:07 AM

The only problem with this -- won't SB be capable of capping w/ AKo on the flop?

Maulik · #6 12-08-2005, 12:07 AM

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i would call down. you're getting 15:1 on this flop and if you're dead to the two queens you're getting the right price to call this flop. i would definately fold the turn if an ace or king hits, though.

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Harv72b · #7 12-08-2005, 12:08 AM

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The only problem with this -- won't SB be capable of capping w/ AKo on the flop?

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Only if someone raises & 3-bets? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

SlyGuy · #8 12-08-2005, 12:10 AM

I go bye bye. One of the only hands i think you beat PF just landed a set. After you capped he still led out. He has JJ, KK, or AA here i think and you can fold. If you decide to raise the flop and he 3 bets you are done anyways. If he just calls you might still be done against KK afraid of your aces. WTF knows what the EP player has I would imagine a lot of nothing.

toss · #9 12-08-2005, 12:11 AM

I don't think SB is capable of betting AK overcards on all streets with the fish and me calling along.

damaniac · #10 12-08-2005, 12:12 AM

I can't see a tighter TAG betting AK on a flop like this after your cap. The call is close given implied odds, pretty close to neutral I guess, sorta depends on how quickly this TAG is gonna freeze up if you raise him on the turn. I'd call/fold the turn UI, mostly cuz you at least get the image thing and the odd time he is betting AK on this flop, since he'll give up on the turn a lot I'd wager.

Oh and if he does have KK and an A falls, every now and then he might check, you get a free shot at your 2 outer, another bonus. But player-dependent.