shuffling

dark_horse · #1 08-30-2005, 01:11 AM

they say that on poker sites the cards are always being shuffled, that the next cards to come aren't predetermined as it is in a real deck of cards. if that's true, then the next time you kick yourself for folding pocket sevens online for 3 bets cold when the flop brings a seven, you might not have even seen the seven if you called. i know that this is a degenerage gambling mentality, but it's still interesting. as a degenerate.

thoughts?

stigmata · #2 08-30-2005, 05:59 AM

I think I remember reading that with Party, the next card ARE predetermined, so your 7 would have flopped regardless of you folding or not. I could be wrong though, after all, I read it somewhere on 2+2 [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

SheridanCat · #3 08-30-2005, 11:30 AM

This way lies madness.

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ghostface · #4 08-30-2005, 01:11 PM

it doesnt matter either way. the next card is coming and you dont know what its gonna be so who cares.

dark_horse · #5 08-30-2005, 01:22 PM

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This way lies madness.

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absolutely.

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it doesnt matter either way. the next card is coming and you dont know what its gonna be so who cares.

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because it's friggin interesting.

MyMindIsGoing · #6 08-30-2005, 01:33 PM

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it doesnt matter either way. the next card is coming and you dont know what its gonna be so who cares.

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because it's friggin interesting.

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No.

TransientR · #7 08-30-2005, 02:45 PM

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they say that on poker sites the cards are always being shuffled, that the next cards to come aren't predetermined as it is in a real deck of cards. if that's true, then the next time you kick yourself for folding pocket sevens online for 3 bets cold when the flop brings a seven, you might not have even seen the seven if you called. i know that this is a degenerage gambling mentality, but it's still interesting. as a degenerate.

thoughts?

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Statistically this shouldn't make any difference, but psychologically I'm more comfortable with a set deck. I play a lot of backgammon online, and RNG generators used for the dice means that your roll will be different if you pause a second or two seconds etc., but somehow that doesn't bother me as much as not having a set deck. I play mostly on UB, and from what I have read about their shuffling technology, the deck is constantly being shuffled.

I wonder if players at a casino would object if the dealer was shuffling the cards during every pause. I bet they would, but it wouldn't be much different than what the poker sites do.

Irrational, maybe, but humans aren't perfectly rational beasts (except maybe Sklansky) [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Frank

dark_horse · #8 08-30-2005, 03:04 PM

yeah this is more of a psychological discussion. perhaps this thread should be moved over to the psychology forum. moderator?

ResumeMan · #9 08-30-2005, 03:57 PM

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Statistically this shouldn't make any difference, but psychologically I'm more comfortable with a set deck. I play a lot of backgammon online, and RNG generators used for the dice means that your roll will be different if you pause a second or two seconds etc., but somehow that doesn't bother me as much as not having a set deck. I play mostly on UB, and from what I have read about their shuffling technology, the deck is constantly being shuffled.

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Well, with the roll of dice, the continually shifting randomness is actually more accurate than, say, setting up a series of rolls at the start of the game. The outcome of a real die roll will be affected by insignificant variations, like throwing them slightly harder or softer, waiting a moment in your hand movement before letting go, etc.

I realize there is absolutely no difference whether the card deck is pre-established or randomly generated right there, but it does have a small, irrational effect on my perception of the game. As the OP said, knowing if I'd made my decision at a slightly different time would have changed the outcome (in a completely unknowable way) bothers me a little.

But, I learn to live with it! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

stigmata · #10 08-30-2005, 06:15 PM

I agree that it can lead to annoying (and dangerous) psychological quirks.

For instance, if I make an incorrect fold, but then villain hits his flush on the river anyhow, I think to myslef "Oh, thats OK". I no longer care so much that I played the hand wrong.

Knowing exactly what would have happened leads to results-orientated thinking, and I actively have to fight this sometimes.