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Old 02-01-2004, 06:11 PM
gdaily gdaily is offline
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Default Death of internet poker!!!

Hi,

if this is true, well all our happy days are gone.

www.winholdem.net

"share your cards with friends"...
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Old 02-01-2004, 06:15 PM
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Default Re: Death of internet poker!!!

I tried this bot to see if it was something to fear. And after 120 hands i can honestly say:

Give me a table full of them [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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Old 02-01-2004, 06:26 PM
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Default Re: Death of internet poker!!!

Hi

I am myself not so scared about the bot part, as I am about the 'share the cards with friends' part...

/Ola
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Old 02-01-2004, 07:17 PM
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Default Re: Death of internet poker!!!

Nothing stops you from getting on MSN or AIM and doing that now.
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Old 02-02-2004, 04:01 AM
Ted Geisel Ted Geisel is offline
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Default Exactly, so what is the BFD that this does it over the Internet ?

To sum up, the bot cannot really play winning poker and the "share cards" function is less secure, less private and less effective than calling your cheater buddies on the phone.

Sorry, Chicken Little, but the sky is not falling ..... yet.

If you are really worried, play on a site which is incompatible with this bot/system.
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Old 02-01-2004, 06:23 PM
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Default Re: Death of internet poker!!!

We NL players have alot less to fear, as far as bots are concerned.

However, this is very disturbing. From their website:

"One of the most exciting WH features is the ability to easily and conveniently share your cards with a fellow friend playing Hold'Em at the same online poker casino table. If you play Texas Hold'Em online you can be sure that other players are using various means to share their cards with one another to try and gain an advantage over you. In an online internet environment it is impossible to prevent players from card sharing. The online poker casinos would like to be able to prevent card sharing but they are powerless to stop it and they know it. Because of this simple fact of life, we at winholdem.net take the policy position of "if-you-can't-beat'em-join'em." And as such, we have done everything possible to make it simple, easy, convenient, private and safe for you to play team poker with whomever you choose from the privacy of your home."

THE SITES NEED TO BLOCK THIS SCUMBOT ASAP!
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Old 02-02-2004, 12:36 AM
MadSci MadSci is offline
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Default You tried Napster and Friendster.. now try Cheatster!

So they are billing their software as a tool to cheat online, with people you don't know even. Lovvvvvely.

And of course, "perfect play" and "perfect pot odds" are meaningless phrases that would be useless in most games anyway. If it can't account for the chance that my opponents' raise was stupid, or implied odds, etc, what good is it?

I've long thought, however, that an odds calculator tool would be nice to have. One that would let me see my odds of hitting various hands from where I am in the hand, given certain dead cards if I want, and so on. Sort of an advanced, quicker to use pokenum. Does something like that exist?
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Old 02-01-2004, 06:45 PM
spamuell spamuell is offline
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Default Re: Death of internet poker!!!

See the thread about this in the General Theory forum:

Thread in General Theory forum
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Old 02-02-2004, 11:53 AM
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Old 02-01-2004, 08:22 PM
t_perkin t_perkin is offline
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Default Re: Death of internet poker!!!

This is a real shame, they could have used this program to write a genuienly useful and interesting piece of software.

I once wrote an interface to a card room (ladbrokes) which operated using screen scraping.
My conclusion was that there is a good reason that screen scraping is almost never done, it is f**king hard to do (I lecture computer science - I am a very competant programmer).
These guys have achieved it (at least to some extent, it seems a lot of people are having problems running this app)

The value of having an automated interface to poker rooms is considerable.

1/ You can build up your poker tracker database without having to be seated at the table.

2/ You can play a lot of tables at once

3/ You can play a lot of websites at once with one uniform interface.

4/ You can try and design an automated player or assistant (stat generator, dynamic link to twodimes, dynamic link to poker tracker DB etc.)

And yet they have done a lot of work and produced a piece of crap. What a pity.

Tim
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