Guy brags about having 3 accounts at Poker Stars

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But Party aren't catering to the casuals either as they offer obviously worse bonuses than most other sites.

They only got so big in the first place by offering the best bonuses.

Now they offer the worst bonuses for 1000 hand/month players and have removed rakeback and PT datamining for the 20k hand/month players.

Their numbers will drop off and once PS overtakes them as No.1 site (give it 3 months or so) their USP is gone too..and so will their share price

Once the nos. go the reason for playing there goes too..

They are being a bit too greedy and I'm not convinced that voluntarily giving up the No.1 slot for more profit/player isn;t going to come back to haunt them pretty fast

[2easy]

party only got so big by offering bonuses?

dont think so.

and if that WERE true, then you say that will make stars the leader.

and i can surely understand the logic behind that part of your argument, because stars has SUCH great bonuses compared to party...not!

and the dataming argument. yea sure, stars allows that, unlike party, so they'll overtake party for that reason? not sure that this is correct either.

and to your third point, yea party's eliminated rakeback,so how is this unlike stars?

think you've got some convoluted logic going here, and are basically a stars rah-rah guy.

not sayin that they wont overtake party SOMEDAY, but i dont think so

and one thing for certain in my mind, there's no way they'll overtake party as the #1 site in "3 months or so." i'll gladly cover any action on that, if you want to stand behind your prediction.

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The Party and skins were always amongst the easiest to release bonuses on the net - that's how they overtook Paradise as the No. 1. Most other bonuses were 10x release, Party and skins had standard 7x (and sometimes 5x to release).

Why else - their great customer support? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

As of right now Party has 47,662 online and Stars has 43,618.

Party have basically abolished (or is about to) the three reasons a lot of players would pick them over Stars - good bonuses (for casuals), rakeback (for semi-pros/pros) and datamining (for PT users).
Stars is launching a new VIP program that may well be better than what Party is offering in that regard.
And Stars has lower rake I think as they are 'no flop, no drop' and I don't think Party are (I could be wrong on that one).

Anyone else think 3 months for Party to lose No 1 slot is unrealistic?

As for being an apologist for Stars I actually hardly ever play Ring there - as my $1000 in outstanding bonuses will attest. Their bonus release is one of the worst around for sub $200 NL players and I played at Party, Prima, UB and Crypto mainly over the past 2 years..

I just think Party is blowing it - the markets certainly think so judging by how fast their share price has headed south..

[Sponger15SB]

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The Party and skins were always amongst the easiest to release bonuses on the net - that's how they overtook Paradise as the No. 1

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Wrong! They overtook them because of a good affiliate system and other marketing.

End of story.

[2easy]

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The Party and skins were always amongst the easiest to release bonuses on the net - that's how they overtook

As of right now Party has 47,662 online and Stars has 43,618.

Party have basically abolished (or is about to) the three reasons a lot of players would pick them over Stars - good bonuses (for casuals), rakeback (for semi-pros/pros) and datamining (for PT users).

And Stars has lower rake I think as they are 'no flop, no drop' and I don't think Party are (I could be wrong on that one).

Anyone else think 3 months for Party to lose No 1 slot is unrealistic?

I just think Party is blowing it - the markets certainly think so judging by how fast their share price has headed south..

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as others have pointed out, party didnt get be #1 by bonus, but by marketing.

stars player count is grossly overstated as they get a lot of that count from microlimits, that party doesnt have.

and stars doesnt enable datamining, showing showdown hands, etc, without screenscraping aids.

and party is a no flop no drop, as are almost all sites.

im no apologist for party either, but found your arguments to be strange considering stars bonuses are worse, the dont do rakeback and their datamining stance is no different than party's.

but my offer to book any action on your predictions of stars overtaking party still stands.

[imported_leader]

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showing showdown hands,

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If you're referring to them not showing mucked cards, then you're wrong. PA HUD picks them up from the HH's.

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but found your arguments to be strange considering stars bonuses are worse,

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Stars bonuses are much more straightforward however. Party occasionally will not let you have some bonus for a seemingly random reason. Like you cashed out last week before the bonus was even announced.

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the dont do rakeback and their datamining stance is no different than party's.

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Yeah but allowing something and then taking it away certainly feels worse to players then just saying "We don't do that here" like stars does. Stars is increasing the reasons to play at their site at the same time Party is decreasing the reasons to on theirs.

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but my offer to book any action on your predictions of stars overtaking party still stands.

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It's pretty much inevitable IMO. I doubt it will be in 3 months, but continually making poor business decisions will catch up with you. Also, we only see the public [censored] ups. If they're cutting corners in service, they are probably cutting corners else where.

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party only got so big by offering bonuses?

dont think so.

and if that WERE true, then you say that will make stars the leader.

and i can surely understand the logic behind that part of your argument, because stars has SUCH great bonuses compared to party...not!

and the dataming argument. yea sure, stars allows that, unlike party, so they'll overtake party for that reason? not sure that this is correct either.

and to your third point, yea party's eliminated rakeback,so how is this unlike stars?

think you've got some convoluted logic going here, and are basically a stars rah-rah guy.

not sayin that they wont overtake party SOMEDAY, but i dont think so

and one thing for certain in my mind, there's no way they'll overtake party as the #1 site in "3 months or so." i'll gladly cover any action on that, if you want to stand behind your prediction.

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PARTY POKER SUCKS [censored]!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[2easy]

always nice to see a well reasoned and clearly elocuted point of view.