Libertarians: Closer to Liberals or Conservatives ?

[coffeecrazy1]

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Should an abused wife have to get permission from her husband in order to get an abortion?

[/ QUOTE ] Hmm...maybe I missed the part about the wife being abused. I'm not saying I agree with Alito's decision or not(haven't really given it much thought), but nowhere did I read that he specified the wives had to be abused in order to be forced to report to their abusive husbands regarding their abortion. Is there a link for this?

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Should police officers be allowed to strip search 14 year old girls without a warrant or probable cause?

[/ QUOTE ] Link? I haven't heard this one. I find such a claim dubious, because the fact they are 14 and female is irrelevant...since no one should be strip searched without a warrant or probable cause. I find it difficult to believe that any judge with common sense would flagrantly rule against the search-and-seizure clause, but hey, I also would never have believed Kelo could happen, either.

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

Should an abused wife have to get permission from her husband in order to get an abortion?

If you think that was the gist of the case in which he dissented, you are selectively reading the facts of the case. In the case, the law read that a woman had to sign a statement saying she discussed the procedure with her husband. It had an exception for cases of abuse. I disagree with his dissent because even though I agree that (except in the cases of abusive relationships), the ethically correct thing is for both parties to be involved in the decision, that aspect is no business of the government.

Alito wants to expand police powers and take rights away from women.

Cite one example of either.

Should police officers be allowed to strip search 14 year old girls without a warrant or probable cause?

Please show me somewhere where he says that any cop anywhere in the country shgould be empowered to ask teenage girls to take of their clothes and not give a reason?

[Richard Tanner]

Cyrus,
I know you aren't a big fan of ours, but I think we agree with Dems alot more then you think. Personally, I would vote Red simply because when you simplify everything down to it's base elements, Republicans do the economic freedoms and Dems go for the social ones.
That said, social freedoms tend to take care of themselves (see also: Civil Rights Movement, Women's sufferage). I have little doubt that in 50 years, people who were against gay marriage in any way (mostly semantic arguments) well be looked back upon as a fool. The idea of social security and other monitary redistribution plans offend and threaten me more then banning gay marriage (as I think it'll be settled by the public).

Cody

[canis582]

ALITO SUPPORTS UNAUTHORIZED STRIP SEARCHES: In Doe v. Groody, Alito agued that police officers had not violated constitutional rights when they strip searched a mother and her ten-year-old daughter while carrying out a search warrant that authorized only the search of a man and his home. [Doe v. Groody, 2004]

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data2/...rd/024532p.pdf

[TomCollins]

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ALITO SUPPORTS UNAUTHORIZED STRIP SEARCHES: In Doe v. Groody, Alito agued that police officers had not violated constitutional rights when they strip searched a mother and her ten-year-old daughter while carrying out a search warrant that authorized only the search of a man and his home. [Doe v. Groody, 2004]

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data2/...rd/024532p.pdf

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I can do it too:

Alito Authorizes Sacraficing Virgins by Police Officers who wear Chicken Costumes

[canis582]

I provided a link that goes to the actual case. Don't ignore the truth: our rights are being taken away by activist judges.

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

Please rerad the following

while carrying out a search warrant that authorized only the search of a man and his home.

Please show where the "no probable cause" part is. I'm not saying that I agree with this specific decision, but the way you intitially stated it misrepresents the facts.

After reading the brief, and my general opposition to drug laws not withstanding, it seems to me that the police acted within the bounds of propriety (female officers) and at least on the surface, seem to have reasonable probable cause to believe they were acting within constitutional bounds in making the search.

This makes two out of three of your points against Alito where you materially misrepresent facts to make your point.

In my mind, you have precisely zero credibility.

[coffeecrazy1]

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ALITO SUPPORTS UNAUTHORIZED STRIP SEARCHES: In Doe v. Groody, Alito agued that police officers had not violated constitutional rights when they strip searched a mother and her ten-year-old daughter while carrying out a search warrant that authorized only the search of a man and his home. [Doe v. Groody, 2004]

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data2/...rd/024532p.pdf

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I actually would side with the majority opinion, but I can understand Alito's dissent. I think it hinges on this language in the affidavit: "The search should also include all occupants of the residence." I'm not saying that I necessarily agree with his reading of the warrant and affidavit, but I think it is a farcical extrapolation to conclude that he "supports unauthorized strip searches of 14 year old girls." Sounds like a headline from the National Enquirer.

[Cyrus]

My caps :
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Am I closer to a liberal or conservative?
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I am pro-choice LIBERAL
I support the right of gays to get married LIBERAL
I believe there is an implied right to privacy in the Constitution LIBERAL
I believe that the right to own a gun is fundamental CONSERVATIVE
I believe the right to keep 100% of the money you earn is fundamental CONSERVATIVE
I believe welfare is counter-productive CONSERVATIVE
I believe a graduated income tax of income is theft CONSERVATIVE
I believe fewer laws is better for society than more laws LIBERAL
I believe Intelligent Design is a back-door attempt to introduce theology into science class LIBERAL
I have no problem with Nativity displays in the town square BOTH
I do have a problem with the 10 Comandments in a courtroom LIBERAL
I think some of the most religiously intolerant people in the US are secularists CONSERVATIVE
I think Eisenhower was the best president of my lifetime CONSERVATIVE

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You do the tally.

And we did not even go to sex, drugs or rock 'n roll.

[Cyrus]

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A true libertarian believes that the economic "freedoms" advocated by conservatives are grossly insufficient. Additionally, the restriction of individual freedom and rigidly defined "moral values" are quite disturbing to them. Any "libertarian" who would actually vote Republican certainly does not have enough conviction in his ideals to actually consider himself one.

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And for a real-world insight into the chasm separating "conservatives" with "libertarians", check out Darryl P's posts in this thread.