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Re: KK unimproved, facing a push and a call
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Once in a while plays at NL100 are like saying "I usually prefer $20 to $10 but once in a while I like to take the $10. Just to mix it up." I never take that line in that game. [/ QUOTE ] I don't agree. From a player development standpoint, its good to take an occasional unorthodox line if only to give yourself experience with the situations that follow it even if it is less optimal from both an immediate EV and metagame standpoint to do so. It'll save money later when the player takes a non-standard line against smarter players in a bigger game. [/ QUOTE ] This reply is logical and makes sense theoretically. It is wrong though. [/ QUOTE ] A bit arrogant aren't we? It also makes sense when you can play the table accordingly. Playing off peoples weaknesses while placing more trust in your reads can be hugely beneficial in making more money, and gets better along with the rise of ones own skill. Your $20 v. $10 argument is ridiculous, top poker isn't binary. [ QUOTE ] How does practicing less than optimal play help you save money? I understand practicing LAG play at a lower limit to gain experience, but shouldn't every play you make should be optimal based upon the circumstance? [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, but what qualifies as "optimal" is dependent on the table. Books and strategy and meta-games are all fine for giving you a good base, but you can't just take x idea and apply it across the board. You adjust to the table, and find the ways that extract the most money, specific to that grouping of players. |
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Re: KK unimproved, facing a push and a call
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A bit arrogant aren't we? [/ QUOTE ] indeed [ QUOTE ] Your $20 v. $10 argument is ridiculous, top poker isn't binary. [/ QUOTE ] Where in the post are we talking about top poker? I thought this was $100 6max. |
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Re: KK unimproved, facing a push and a call
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[ QUOTE ] A bit arrogant aren't we? [/ QUOTE ] indeed [ QUOTE ] Your $20 v. $10 argument is ridiculous, top poker isn't binary. [/ QUOTE ] Where in the post are we talking about top poker? I thought this was $100 6max. [/ QUOTE ] This was going to be my exact response. Thanks. And to Ghaz's last post, yes the guy will have to adjust and learn to play postflop at the higher level. But he will be adequately bankrolled for it and it's not like all of a sudden when you jump up a level, pushing AA preflop every time magically becomes -EV. It will just be somewhat less +EV than it used to be. And then he will see that he can make more money playing it slower. And he still won't be -EV with AA playing it slower. He will just be less +EV than he could be. And then he will make adjustments and get better at the higher level. And all of this will make him more money than trying to play the way that beats the higher limits at the lower limits because his opponents won't be reacting the same way at the lower limits anyways so his 'practice' isn't really helping him anyways and all he is doing it keeping himself at lower limits longer than he has to and he is getting into the habit of justifying sub-optimal play as 'mixing it up' or 'practicing' or whatever and then he won't recognize when he's on subtle tilt and a lot of other bad things will happen. I guarantee you that if you always make what you think is the optimal play for the specific hand that you are in without considering any other 'practice' consequences or 'mixing it up' consequences or 'deception' consequences, you will kill every level up to and including 5/10. And I really don't think Mr. .01/.02 NL will mind destroying the games for months and months and making many thousand dollars just because he never practiced playing AA postflop until he got up to .1/.25 NL or whatever. Both Ghaz and Grunch are too smart for their own good. |
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Re: KK unimproved, facing a push and a call
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[ QUOTE ] A bit arrogant aren't we? [/ QUOTE ] indeed [/ QUOTE ] mmmmmm, indubitably. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Your $20 v. $10 argument is ridiculous, top poker isn't binary. [/ QUOTE ] Where in the post are we talking about top poker? I thought this was $100 6max. [/ QUOTE ] My mistake. I assumed people wanted to play and the absolute best and extract the absolute most they could (top poker) at any stakes. |
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Re: KK unimproved, facing a push and a call
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] A bit arrogant aren't we? [/ QUOTE ] indeed [/ QUOTE ] mmmmmm, indubitably. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Your $20 v. $10 argument is ridiculous, top poker isn't binary. [/ QUOTE ] Where in the post are we talking about top poker? I thought this was $100 6max. [/ QUOTE ] My mistake. I assumed people wanted to play the absolute best they could (top poker) at any stakes. [/ QUOTE ] If by "top poker" you mean the most profitable poker for the specific hand that you are in, then re-raising preflop is top poker here without any question or qualification. He, and I, thought you meant "theoretically optimal poker" by "top poker" i.e. both players are playing at a high level. |
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