AKs versus the flush?

Sent · #1 10-22-2004, 11:35 AM

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB folds.

Turn: (4.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

River: (8.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero ???

Final Pot: 9.25 BB

Guy just joined the table so I have no read on him. The river gave me 2 pair but it wasn't a very good card either.

-Sent

Rubeskies · #2 10-22-2004, 12:16 PM

You may have just reamed his lower 2 pair and I think you are good here 1 in 9. Make the call.

Buttom may also have been bluffing on the turn when it was heads up when the scare card came. I've seen more ill-advised bluff attempts.

nothumb · #3 10-22-2004, 12:37 PM

No reads, I call this down. Gets you some info on this player when you're no good.

NT

Brunger · #4 10-22-2004, 01:12 PM

This is a tough spot but how about betting out and folding to a raise. It would be difficult for a typical player to raise with a small diamond yet many will call with two smaller pair or even just an ace. I would check call only if I thought the guy was a maniac and therefore liable to bet a worse hand or I just want to get a read on what he called and raised turn with.

Fat Nicky · #5 10-22-2004, 01:33 PM

I think I like this line best. Good first post.

mikeyKay · #6 10-22-2004, 01:38 PM

i think betting out and folding to a raise is a bad idea. why not check call and pay the same one bet for a showdown, instead of not having one. a worse hand will most likely not call the bet, prolly raise instead, and force you out. also, a better hand will always raise. induce the bluff and hopefully be good 1 out of 9 times.

-mike

Fat Nicky · #7 10-22-2004, 01:42 PM

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a worse hand will most likely not call the bet, prolly raise instead

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please explain this reasoning. I can't see a worse hand raising this board.

Brunger · #8 10-22-2004, 01:49 PM

That is why I like the thin value bet. The bored has you protected from getting raised without the nuts or close to it. Unless the oppent is a serious lag in which check calling is probably best. Even if the villian is slowplaying a set on the flop or completed a small flush he will most likely just call the river. If he took a stab at the pot with an ace or a turned two pair oftens times you will get a crying call.

Quindle · #9 10-22-2004, 02:29 PM

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The bored has you protected from getting raised without the nuts or close to it.

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Dammit, that's the kind of thinking I need in the heat of the moment before I move myself up from 2/4.

If not the spelling.

Sent · #10 10-22-2004, 02:43 PM

Wow never thought of betting out, that would be a nice move. I like it.

Actually in the hand I noticed it was a diamond but not the Kd, so I actually folded to his bet here. If I knew it was Kd I would've called it, I have no idea how I missed it and I think I would've been good here now that I think about it.

-Sent