$33 - blind v blind 2nd hand

schwza · #1 09-22-2005, 12:10 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

MP3 (t785)
CO (t735)
Button (t900)
SB (t735)
Hero (t875)
UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t785)
MP2 (t785)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
8 folds, SB raises to t35, Hero calls t20.

Flop: (t70) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t70, hero?

downtown · #2 09-22-2005, 12:17 PM

I would call.

1) I think your hand is ahead enough of the time to make folding at this point bad.
2) You don't hate to see a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] on the turn, as it gives you more outs in case you are behind
3) You're in position on the turn and get to see how SB acts first - I could fold to a big turn bet after calling the flop knowing I'm behind enough of the time to make it right.

45suited · #3 09-22-2005, 12:22 PM

This is one spot where I would raise to 200 and define my hand. Any special reason why you shouldn't think you're ahead?

Raiser · #4 09-22-2005, 12:27 PM

I like calling for information here. This looks like a WAWB spot, so getting to showdown as cheaply as possible looks good to me. If he makes another good sized bet on the turn, then you can re-evaluate.

downtown · #5 09-22-2005, 12:32 PM

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This is one spot where I would raise to 200 and define my hand. Any special reason why you shouldn't think you're ahead?

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I don't do this mainly because of pot-size control reasons. I have a difficult time in these SB v BB situations though when the blinds are small and I flop a strong but not invincible hand, so I'm interested in hearing others' responses.

45suited · #6 09-22-2005, 12:32 PM

I think you'd be surprised at the number of times that this isn't a WAWB spot, but rather a raise from the SB and auto bet any flop spot.

45suited · #7 09-22-2005, 12:34 PM

I think you'd be surprised at the number of times that this isn't a WAWB spot, but rather a raise from the SB and auto bet any flop spot.

Which I guess would mean you'd be way ahead, but if I'm playing this hand, I might as well raise while I'm likely ahead. (But draws on board.) Why give SB so much credit for being ahead here? It was folded to him, he raised, took a shot on the flop. I'd pop him back. Ace with a T kicker seems good enough here. If he pushes, then I've got a decision to make.

schwza · #8 09-22-2005, 12:53 PM

i called, although i agree with 45s that the odds are very good i'm ahead. i disagree that he's likely to have outs though. yes, he may have a flush draw, but only ~1/20 hands has two diamonds, and that's less because we see 3 of them, and one is the A. it goes up a little because he raised pre-flop and bet this flop, but still: it's not likely.

sometimes he'll have 7x for 5 outs, but what the hell, i'm a gamblin' man.

i don't want to lose him right here with a raise, so i just called.

this is the rest of the hand. comments on all streets still appreciated.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

MP3 (t785)
CO (t735)
Button (t900)
SB (t735)
Hero (t875)
UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t785)
MP2 (t785)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
8 folds, SB raises to t35, Hero calls t20.

Flop: (t70) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t70, Hero calls t70.

Turn: (t210) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t120, SB calls t120.

River: (t450) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t650 (All-In),

villain has 510 left.

Dr_Jeckyl_00 · #9 09-22-2005, 01:01 PM

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I like calling for information here. This looks like a WAWB spot, so getting to showdown as cheaply as possible looks good to me. If he makes another good sized bet on the turn, then you can re-evaluate.

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I did not know you get information when you call!?!?

What is WAWB?

OP has position, take advantage of it. Are you planning to call the turn if SB bets? If so, you might as well raise here. If you plan to fold to a turn bet, you could be throwing away the best hand. SB min raised pf, and bet flop. He could have an ace. But if you raise the flop it will help define how much he likes his hand. If you raise and he has tpwk, he may check turn-river... after which you too should check. If he shows aggression after your raise... check/call as long as it is cheap to do so, otherwise give the hand up.

schwza · #10 09-22-2005, 01:03 PM

WAWB is way ahead or way behind. a better example would be something like KK on a board of A73r.