200/400 hand 1

James282 · #1 09-18-2005, 07:16 PM

Hey all, since I basically just doubled the amount of live hours I've put in during the past 2 weeks I figured I'd post a few hands and see if you all think I'm adjusting okay. So here's hand 1 -

John D'agostino or whatever his last name is raises in the cutoff and I defend Ah2d so we take a headsup flop. The flop is Ks7s7d. I check, he bets, I call.

The turn is a 2s. I check. Thoughts?
-James

EDIT: I was planning to check-raise the turn.

Paluka · #2 09-18-2005, 07:37 PM

I would usually just call down here, but I'm probably not fancy enough.

J.A.Sucker · #3 09-19-2005, 01:50 PM

You are right here, Paluka. Checkraising is the worst thing you can do here against John, BTW. If you want to get tricky, then bet out.

James282 · #4 09-19-2005, 02:23 PM

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You are right here, Paluka. Checkraising is the worst thing you can do here against John, BTW. If you want to get tricky, then bet out.

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Is this from live experience with him or online experience? Because he was playing much differently(as far as what he was showing down) than he does online. At this point in playing, I don't think he viewed me as very tricky - and I am certain that he layed down *at least* top pair in a hand previous to this one against another player whom I think had an image similar to mine. The fact is, the board on the flop is so dry that against an unknown I think you almost have to give them credit for a hand or a draw. When the draw comes in on the turn, the gig is up. Since I am out of position, though, I think betting out is indeed superior to checking hoping to raise because there are a zillion cards I don't want to see on the river and this is the perfect card for him to take a free card with since it's a board where I'll almost always have something.
-James

J.A.Sucker · #5 09-20-2005, 02:38 AM

My experience is from online, but I play a lot live, so it's also from there, though not against him. I think you are thinking about this hand all wrong.

James282 · #6 09-20-2005, 02:45 AM

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My experience is from online, but I play a lot live, so it's also from there, though not against him. I think you are thinking about this hand all wrong.

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Thanks, I posted this hand because I agree that I didn't ultimately take the best line on the turn - but thought that it was at least worth discussing.
-James

flawless_victory · #7 09-18-2005, 07:53 PM

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EDIT: I was planning to check-raise the turn.

[/ QUOTE ]before or after you caught the duece?

James282 · #8 09-18-2005, 07:55 PM

Unless the card was a T-Q.
-James

mike l. · #9 09-18-2005, 08:02 PM

you should reraise that hand some of time when it seems right to defend with it.

once the 2 comes your best bet is to check-call to showdown.

James282 · #10 09-18-2005, 08:35 PM

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you should reraise that hand some of time when it seems right to defend with it.

once the 2 comes your best bet is to check-call to showdown.

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Interesting, because I think that this type of hand is the worst type to three-bet. I'll rarely have a big draw that can stand the type of heat that he'll likely put to me once I "define" my hand by three-betting, and when I do make a decent hand it will be easy to put me on it(if an ace flops, for instance). I think I'd rather occasionally three-bet 87s than A2o - because calling allows me to represent so many more hands postflop.