Check My Line on this Flush Hand

#1 12-24-2005, 05:20 AM

This was a somewhat passive table, and prone to fold around to any PF raises, which is why I opened with KQs from where I did.

Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

CO ($34.80)
Button ($18.80)
SB ($22)
BB ($5.65)
UTG ($21.68)
Hero ($18.08)
MP1 ($44.90)
MP2 ($24.75)
MP3 ($20.10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, Hero raises to $0.75, MP1 calls $0.75, 4 folds, SB (poster) calls $0.65, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.50.

Flop: ($3.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $2, Hero calls $2, MP1 folds, SB calls $2.

Turn: ($9.25) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $6, SB calls $6, UTG folds.

River: ($21.25) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4, SB raises to $8, Hero calls $4.

Final Pot: $37.25

#2 12-24-2005, 05:26 AM

First of all, you should be playing with a full buyin, no matter what.

I don't mind the pf raise with KQs in UTG+1, you shouldn't be raising pf w/ only AA, KK, and AK in this position.

Flop action looks all right, you may want to consider a semibluff raise, as you have a 4flush and two overcards and decent position. Especially since you said the table is passive, you'd have a good chance getting them to fold to a semibluff. If not, oh well, you swelled the pot for better odds on later streets.

Turn action is good.

I'd say 3bet push the river. Probably made a straight before he made the A-high flush.

Fallen Hero · #3 12-24-2005, 05:29 AM

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This was a somewhat passive table, and prone to fold around to any PF raises, which is why I opened with KQs from where I did.

Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

CO ($34.80)
Button ($18.80)
SB ($22)
BB ($5.65)
UTG ($21.68)
Hero ($18.08)
MP1 ($44.90)
MP2 ($24.75)
MP3 ($20.10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, Hero raises to $0.75, MP1 calls $0.75, 4 folds, SB (poster) calls $0.65, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.50.

Flop: ($3.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $2, Hero calls $2, MP1 folds, SB calls $2.

Turn: ($9.25) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $6, SB calls $6, UTG folds.

River: ($21.25) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4, SB raises to $8, Hero calls $4.

Final Pot: $37.25

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The only conceivable reason I can see to bet so little on the river is to induce a bluff (I don't think this ever works at .10/.25).

You bet less on the river then on the turn, I'd probably just put him all-in, as it turned out, 3bet it

And raising the flop would be good too.

EDIT: I just realized your stack is smaller than his [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] easy push on the river then, and rebuy next time.

#4 12-24-2005, 05:41 AM

I guess I should include an explaintion for my river play. I thought that he could potentially have held 86 and drawn at a straight on the flop, and then drawn out to two pair. A small bet ensures action from this hand. I also felt that if he happened to have a smaller flush, he'd play back, while a push could have maybe made him too worried about a bigger flush to call. Finally, I thought that maybe he'd made some sort of straight there (maybe 34). This was a pretty passive table with some pretty lousy players that sometimes folded everything and sometimes called with really marginal hands, especially in the blinds. I kinda thought that $4 was small enough that it would get called or played back at by worse hands. I think that at most tables, I would happily push the river, but this table told me a smaller river bet would yield better returns.

Edit: What do you put the villain on in this hand?

EMcWilliams · #5 12-24-2005, 02:45 PM

If you are gonna raise UTG+1 in full ring, make it more than 2xbb. If you dont wanna play with a full stack, thats your choice, but you really should. You lose a lot of value. Flop call is good, as I think you have about 14 or so outs there, since your overs are most likely good be we cant be sure, so I discount an out there. The turn bet looks right, but the river bet is fishy. Lead the turn for 6 and the river for 4....that to me screams flush and I aint payin. Poooosh the river with your remaining stack, or if you want to small bet here, 3 bet all in at least.