Party 2-4 good flop stab?

Yerma · #1 12-27-2005, 04:33 AM

Here are the notes I took on the one villain this session (although this hand is so multiway that it probably doesn't especially matter):

The first line are the things I saw him do preflop.
The other lines are specific things I saw him do post-flop.

J2s,A6o,K4s,overdefends (T4s SB,A2o SB),cold calls (A6o,AKo)
turn raise shots w/tp+nk on 3-flush board
flop calls *RIDICULOUS*
turn donk shots w/gutshot on scare cards
turn donk shots w/nothing on scare cards
turn donk shots w/2nd pr+nk on 3-flush board
shots on river w/tp+nk on super-coordinated board if checked to
bets AK-high every street on super-coordinated board when checked to>

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls, Button calls, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (7 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, Button folds, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP3 folds.

River: (7.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 7.25 BB

#2 12-27-2005, 04:40 AM

I would probably raise preflop here to force the button out.

Yerma · #3 12-27-2005, 04:44 AM

That's one way to go. If it were maybe 1 fewer limper to me then I would have too.

thirddan · #4 12-27-2005, 04:56 AM

take your free card on the flop...

bet the river...

SackUp · #5 12-27-2005, 05:30 AM

Raise preflop, take a free card on the flop (though I make a continuation bet here far too often), bet the turn, bet the river.

W. Deranged · #6 12-27-2005, 06:54 AM

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I would probably raise preflop here to force the button out.

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Why? How valuable is having the button in this 7 way pot? Will a raise force the button out anyway? Will the button call if you don't raise always?

I think raising for the button is really not a great reason to raise here. Our hand plays poorly multiway and I think limping here is pretty clearly correct.

Rudbaeck · #7 12-27-2005, 07:50 AM

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take your free card on the flop...

bet the river...

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Notice that you should bet the river and call a c/r by this particular momo.

#8 12-27-2005, 07:59 AM

My reasons for raising PF is due to these factors:
-I like to controll the large pots, forcing the button out makes it easier to take a free card at some point if needed. Getting a free card in a big pot is very nice. So the main reason why I would raise a hand that doesnt do well multiway is position.
-Also being seen as an aggressor in this pot makes you more likely to be able to control the field.

This all evolves around button being a player that doesnt call raises in big multiway pots pf.

#9 12-27-2005, 08:04 AM

I like this line, but I am inclined to check the river like Yerma, probably something I need to work on.

#10 12-27-2005, 08:30 AM

I am not saying this is correct, its only what would help me play post-flop better in a this kind of pot. I am more inclined to raise cards I limp with when the pot turns large.