Very taboo. What do I do?

IgorSmiles · #1 11-16-2005, 09:26 PM

Showing one card is very common and it is generally seen as a courtesy. If I get you to fold Steamboat, and then show you top pair, and you took offense to it, I would really think you were just a cranky old fart looking for a problem. That said, I wouldnt lose any sleep either if you saw my other card. It's virtually irrelavant. I had the winner, you folded, I let you know it was a good fold. Sure, there are ulterior motives, such as setting up a bluff later on, but that is not the same as taunting. Taunting in this case, would be if I showed you just the six and kept the ace concealed.

GuyOnTilt · #2 11-16-2005, 09:35 PM

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If I get you to fold Steamboat, and then show you top pair, and you took offense to it, I would really think you were just a cranky old fart looking for a problem.

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And you would be right.

GoT

steamboatin · #3 11-16-2005, 10:39 PM

I wouldn't take offense to it, just don't try to make believe that you are doing it out of respect.

I think guys might be missing my point a little. I like it when people do things like that. It is mostly done by weak players and it gives me more information about you and how you play. Yes very strong players do it occasionally but only when they are trying to set you up for a play later on. You will never ever get me to believe that you are showing one card out of respect.

Remember the OP is in a $5-10 game and is much more likely to be a tool than a world class player.

#4 11-16-2005, 11:31 PM

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Remember the OP is in a $5-10 game and is much more likely to be a tool than a world class player.

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one more thing....thinking you know anything about me or my game for the fact that i was playing 5/10 proves only one thing. that is, you are a complete douche. no, i don't show a card if i'm playing 80/160 at the bellagio. you obviously think you have more information from one small circumstance than you really do. after receiving this tiny bit of information, you are "reading" me and making poor assumptions. sounds like some good poker skills

coolhandkuhn · #5 11-16-2005, 11:36 PM

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I wouldn't take offense to it, just don't try to make believe that you are doing it out of respect.

I think guys might be missing my point a little. I like it when people do things like that. It is mostly done by weak players and it gives me more information about you and how you play. Yes very strong players do it occasionally but only when they are trying to set you up for a play later on. You will never ever get me to believe that you are showing one card out of respect.

Remember the OP is in a $5-10 game and is much more likely to be a tool than a world class player.

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If I remember correctly, you play at the 5-10 level (or comparable), so the same "much more likely to be a tool" comment could be (aptly) applied to you, too, I would think. Think what you want, but the OP was doing the folder a courtesy of showing him he was right to fold. A fish that is happy is one who will stay longer and lose more to you. And keeping a table full of fish happy (by showing them that you did have the goods) keeps them happy too. Never a bad thing. If you feel disrespected to see only one card, I think that's your issue, and you should keep your twisted nit views to yourself. Nit.

benkahuna · #6 11-17-2005, 12:02 AM

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I wouldn't take offense to it, just don't try to make believe that you are doing it out of respect.

Remember the OP is in a $5-10 game and is much more likely to be a tool than a world class player.

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A good player doesn't do anything out of respect. It's all strategic. So what?

As for assessing the OP, what you've said just sounds obvious and hypercritical.

dlk9s · #7 11-17-2005, 01:05 AM

I don't agree or disagree with SB's point about showing one card, but I do understand where he is coming from.

To further argue the point that showing one card is taunting/disrespect, I take the flipside of the "my opponent is happy that I showed him he made the right decision" coin.

If I show only one card, the point is not that I am SHOWING a card. It's that I am NOT SHOWING the other card. Why am I not showing the other card? Maybe it's because I want to show the poor schmuck who lost that I only needed one card to beat him. Maybe it's because I want to confuse the guy - did I have a garbage second card or a true monster?

If I were going to argue against showing one card, I would say that it's a two-faced gesture that gives the appearance of respect, but is really meant to piss off and/or manipulate. Sort of like saying, "Thanks," in a sarcastic tone - sure, you're saying thanks, but you didn't mean it.

Again, I don't agree or disagree with SB, but I can see his point and just decided to argue on his side before I went to bed. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

#8 11-17-2005, 02:40 AM

I've got to agree that showing one card is an unfriendly move at the card table. You're entitled to do it, but it's an angle. Please understand that I'm not attacking anybody, but I don't find the argument that players like knowing they folded correctly is persuasive. The fact that they folded indicates there is a chance they are aware enough to be offended by this tactic.

As far as turning over legally mucked cards, if your arm/hand doesn't end up broken it's your lucky day. Go play some roulette.

chesspain · #9 11-17-2005, 08:58 AM

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I don't find the argument that players like knowing they folded correctly is persuasive. The fact that they folded indicates there is a chance they are aware enough to be offended by this tactic.

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Huh?

TakeMeToTheRiver · #10 11-17-2005, 10:48 AM

You still don't get it.

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I wouldn't take offense to it, just don't try to make believe that you are doing it out of respect.

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I wouldn't say that you are doing it out of respect, but it is not disrespectful -- which is what you repeatedly claim.

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I think guys might be missing my point a little. I like it when people do things like that. It is mostly done by weak players and it gives me more information about you and how you play. Yes very strong players do it occasionally but only when they are trying to set you up for a play later on. You will never ever get me to believe that you are showing one card out of respect.

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You do not have to be setting up a play for later by showing one card -- although that is a perfectly good reason to do it. Many players feel more comfortable when they make a good fold. Occassionally showing a single card that proves the other player made a good fold keeps that other player happy without necessarily giving away the hand you played. Generally, you want to keep the other players happy -- particular at low stakes games when they are there to have fun and give you their money.

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Remember the OP is in a $5-10 game and is much more likely to be a tool than a world class player.

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I didn't think you were a tool before -- but now you are acting like a tool and a nit. OP doesn't have to be a tool or a world class player to show a single card. I think I see the one-card-show by a wide variety of players at least once every half hour when I play live -- and thats a very conservative estimate.

Of course you should know when it is right and when it is wrong to show a card and how it might effect the play of your opponents in the future.