Where's the shame? Let's all get naked.

[hmkpoker]

I have a five year old half-sister named Alexa. Her parents are not really religious at all, I don't think she's ever been to church or anything. Her parents are also generally pretty liberal about things, pretty informal, laid-back, etc.

Alexa has been potty-trained (obviously) and uses the big potty, although she needs a little help every now and then. Regardless, she never has any reservations about pulling down her pants in a large company, and always insists on keeping the door open when she does her business.

And come to think of it, why shouldn't she? It's no big deal. Hell, I'm pretty open about things and, were it not for the concern of consequences that might jeopardize my career or put me in jail, I'd have no problem walking around naked in public.

And I wouldn't be the first. We've all stumbled across the Discovery Channel and National Geographic media that depicts tribes in some far-off land where the people casually walk around naked because it's just no big deal to them. The ancient Greeks competed in the nude.

And then, of course, there's porn.

So where's this inherent so-called "shame" of nakedness that has supposedly affected us since Adam and Eve? As far as I see, shame is just something that gets created from parents (or other people) telling you that it's "bad" to be naked.

Hell, if they told you it's "bad" to eat zesty doritos from a young age like that, we'd probably feel the same kind of shame.

Yeah, I think shame, for the most part, comes from conditioning. Back in the days when I was a Christian I would feel absolutely horrible about masturbating. Then when I unlocked my shackles I realized there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. Best decision I ever made, masturbation-wise.

I still feel horrible about masturbating, especially when i climax during an episode of Everybody Loves Raymond.


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[jthegreat]

For me, it's not a matter of shame, but of privacy and intimacy.

Watching your 5 year old sis. walk around naked isn't healthy for either of you. If you want to stare at underage breasts, go join a tribe in Africa or something.

EDIT: This is the opposite of "civilization".

[Aytumious]

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Watching your 5 year old sis. walk around naked isn't healthy for either of you. If you want to stare at underage breasts, go join a tribe in Africa or something.

EDIT: This is the opposite of "civilization".

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Is this post serious?

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Watching your 5 year old sis. walk around naked isn't healthy for either of you. If you want to stare at underage breasts, go join a tribe in Africa or something.

EDIT: This is the opposite of "civilization".

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Is this post serious?

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Of course not! And since we're throwing out the idea of "civilization", we might as well go back to manually killing our food, and trying to discover the wheel.

Yes, I'm serious. Saying that clothing is stupid just b/c it's not part of our "animal instincts", is just silly. We're far more civilized now than we were back when our ancestors all had a sh*tload of backhair, and three-letter names like "Gor" and "Lok".

Regression is not usually the answer.

[purnell]

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We're far more civilized now than we were back when our ancestors all had a sh*tload of backhair, and three-letter names like "Gor" and "Lok".


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[Aytumious]

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Watching your 5 year old sis. walk around naked isn't healthy for either of you. If you want to stare at underage breasts, go join a tribe in Africa or something.

EDIT: This is the opposite of "civilization".

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Is this post serious?

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Of course not! And since we're throwing out the idea of "civilization", we might as well go back to manually killing our food, and trying to discover the wheel.

Yes, I'm serious. Saying that clothing is stupid just b/c it's not part of our "animal instincts", is just silly. We're far more civilized now than we were back when our ancestors all had a sh*tload of backhair, and three-letter names like "Gor" and "Lok".

Regression is not usually the answer.

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I was asking if you were serious about it being unhealthy for him to see his 5 year old sister in the nude. I really don't see that as being much of a problem, though as people get older and reach puberty that equation obviously changes.

Is it inappropriate for him to see his sister nude when she is 1,2, or 3? At what age does it become inappropriate.

[hmkpoker]

Well, the point of this thread was to illustrate that the association of shame with nakedness that Christians (and people of other Western religious persuasions) hold is poorly founded.

I wasn't trying to say that people shouldn't wear clothes, and I wonder how you reached such a conclusion. I assume it's because you have sexual problems, since a reasonable human being would not think that seeing a naked five year old is arousing or "unhealthy." Go back and tell me where I placed this in a sexual context.