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Old 06-13-2005, 08:16 PM
Jeff W Jeff W is offline
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Default Party 20/40: Calling down the turn check/raise.

BB and UTG are relative unknowns. About the most I can conclude is that they're loose pre flop and lean towards passivity.

Party 20/40 (6 handed)

Preflop: Jeff is CO with As, Th.
UTG calls, 1 fold, Jeff raises, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) Jh, 3d, 2d (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Jeff bets, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) Ah (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Jeff bets, BB calls, UTG raises, Jeff calls, BB calls.

River: (10.75 BB) Qs (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Jeff calls.
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Old 06-13-2005, 08:19 PM
mperich mperich is offline
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Default Re: Party 20/40: Calling down the turn check/raise.

I usually fold here. I tend to give field checkraises a lot of respect, unless I have seen them make a move before. Not to mention you raised preflop as well.

-Mike
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Old 06-13-2005, 08:37 PM
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Default Re: Party 20/40: Calling down the turn check/raise.

you call down and cross your fingers.
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Old 06-13-2005, 09:21 PM
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Default Re: Party 20/40: Calling down the turn check/raise.

I think you have to call down.
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Old 06-13-2005, 09:25 PM
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Default Re: Party 20/40: Calling down the turn check/raise.

I definately call this one down. I can see this checkraise being a raw ace or hearts+pair enough for sure. Also, you have 9 outs against A2 and 6 outs against A3.
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Old 06-14-2005, 12:58 AM
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Default Re: Party 20/40: Calling down the turn check/raise.

Most players are "usually" a lot less apt to put a move on the preflop raiser when an ace is on board. Im kind of torn b/c I think you have enough outs enough of the time to call the turn, but that in turn will probably obligate you to call a river bet which I doubt you are winning 8-10% of the time whatever it is you need. Anyone fold the river after UTG fires into both callers again?
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Old 06-14-2005, 01:03 AM
BlueBear BlueBear is offline
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Default Re: Party 20/40: Calling down the turn check/raise.

If you call the checkraise on
the turn, I believe you are highly committed to call the river as well. Must, even.
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Old 06-14-2005, 01:12 AM
steaknshake925 steaknshake925 is offline
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Default Re: Party 20/40: Calling down the turn check/raise.

the fact that BB is in the hand makes me lean toward folding. villain's turn CR trapping a guy in the middle seems to mean a monster usually, much more monsterly than if he was CRing you HU, and i think he has you beat here more than 7/8ths of the time. i dont like calling to try to spike a ten or jack against A3 and A2 because: 1) you are often up against a set or AJ; and 2) the 10d and Jd may not be clean because BB could possibly be on a flush draw.
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Old 06-14-2005, 02:07 AM
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Default Re: Party 20/40: Calling down the turn check/raise.

call down forsure
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Old 06-14-2005, 09:41 AM
Jeff W Jeff W is offline
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Default Re: Party 20/40: Calling down the turn check/raise.

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I definately call this one down. I can see this checkraise being a raw ace or hearts+pair enough for sure. Also, you have 9 outs against A2 and 6 outs against A3.

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This mirrors my reasoning.

Thanks for the responses.
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