Calling with second Nut Low

[Jonathan]

Hi,
I'm new to this forum. I've been playing
Omaha hi/lo 0.50/$1 and having a good time
learning the game.

One situation I don't understand: Is it normally
correct to call with the second nut low, or should
you normally fold this?

Here is an example:

On the turn, I have the 2nd nut, and there is a bet, a call,
and a raise. Should I fold here? What about on the river?

Thanks,
Jonathan
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***** Hand History for Game 2330110702 *****
$0.5/$1 Omaha Hi/Lo - Friday, July 08, 13:19:47 EDT 2005
Table Table 25414 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 6: rd711 ( $33.88 )
Seat 9: Hero ( $11.74 )
Seat 5: bogie1 ( $4.5 )
Seat 3: Betsythebets ( $30.76 )
Seat 2: Big_Slick_WV ( $22.75 )
Seat 4: Airglo ( $28.75 )
Seat 7: Xuxeur ( $5.5 )
Seat 10: firechief1 ( $31.5 )
Seat 1: garyw321 ( $22.75 )
Xuxeur posts small blind [$0.25].
Hero posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ks 6c Th Ah ]
firechief1 calls [$0.5].
garyw321 calls [$0.5].
Big_Slick_WV folds.
Betsythebets calls [$0.5].
Airglo calls [$0.5].
bogie1 calls [$0.5].
rd711 folds.
Xuxeur calls [$0.25].
Hero checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, Jh, 2d ]
Xuxeur checks.
Hero checks.
firechief1 checks.
garyw321 checks.
Betsythebets checks.
Airglo checks.
bogie1 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4c ]
Xuxeur checks.
Hero checks.
firechief1 checks.
garyw321 bets [$1].
Betsythebets calls [$1].
Airglo raises [$2].
bogie1 folds.
Xuxeur folds.
Hero calls [$2].
firechief1 folds.
garyw321 calls [$1].
Betsythebets calls [$1].
** Dealing River ** [ 8d ]

Hero checks.
garyw321 bets [$1].
Betsythebets folds.
Airglo calls [$1].
Hero calls [$1].
garyw321 shows [ Ac, 3d, 3s, 7d ] a straight, ace to five.
garyw321 shows 5,4,3,2,A for low.
Airglo shows [ 4s, 6h, 3h, 4h ] a straight, two to six.
Airglo shows 6,5,4,3,2 for low.
Airglo wins $6.88 from the main pot with a straight, two to six.
garyw321 wins Lo ($6.87) from the main pot with 5,4,3,2,A.
firechief1 has left the table.

[templar999]

Jonathan,

depending on the number of opponents you have, you should almost never call on the turn with the second nut low unless you have prospects for high (set, wrap draw, nut flush draw). drawing to the second nut low is the biggest money burner in O8.

in the hand you posted, with a bet, call, and a raise, the action sends your cards into the muck immediately. furthermore, when there are three cards to the wheel on board, someone will almost always have it.

as an aside, your hand is terrible preflop. throw it away.

good luck. enjoy the game. it's really fun.

respectfully,
temp

[correia]

I would just fold there. You have absolutely no high, a bet and raise, and still have two others to act behind you. Just not worth it to "maybe" win half the pot.

[gergery]

Easy fold on the turn. If you mis-clicked the turn, easy fold on the river.

To call with the second nuts you MUST have at least some and preferably all of the following:
1) a large pot where you are getting goods odds if you’re wrong

2) chances to win if your read is incorrect. If you’d had top set on a potential straight board or nutflush etc. then you have ways to win if you are wrong

3) A second nut holding in circumstances where the nut holding is relatively rare. Here the nut holding is A3 and many people will play any A3 hand. If the board was A23 and you held 46 then I might call since the low that beats you is 45 and somewhat rare.

4) A tolerance for variance

--Greg

[correia]

I was going to say the same thing about not playing the hand to begin with, but he was in the bb.

[templar999]

oops, you're right. my mistake. folding there would be very very bad.

[Ironman]

Jonathan,

The other boys have it right as usual. When there are a lot of low cards on the board...as in this case, your low cards better include cards that are 5 or less or don't even give calling a thought.

Dave

[DyessMan89]

Drawing to the 2nd nut low is the biggest drain on your bankroll. Nuff said.

[Jonathan]

[ QUOTE ]


as an aside, your hand is terrible preflop. throw it away.



[/ QUOTE ]

In this case, I was in the big blind and saw the flop
for free.


Thanks for the input.

Suerte,
Jonathan

[Jonathan]

[ QUOTE ]
Drawing to the 2nd nut low is the biggest drain on your bankroll. Nuff said.

[/ QUOTE ]

The problem is that in this case I was never drawing to the
second nut low. I was in the BB and saw the flop for free,
and then the flop got checked around so I saw the turn for
free. So I was "presented" with the 2nd nut low and never
drew to it.

Thanks everyone for the responses. It seems like there is
unanimity on how to play this one!

Suerte,
Jonathan