Play along with Chesspain's JJ vs. two TAGs...

[chesspain]

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Both players had TAG stats after approx. thirty hands.

Preflop: chesspain is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, chesspain...?

[Entity]

I wouldn't hate folding here, to be honest. 30 hands doesn't provide much of a read, so I'd probably do the following:

1) Fold. Out of position against a PF 3-bet, though it could be a slightly lighter 3-bet than normal, and in the worst position.

2) Call. See if original raiser caps. Play flop/turn accordingly.

3) Cap. I don't really like this option here but it may allow you to get HU against a player with overs.

Rob

[Chairman Wood]

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Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Both players had TAG stats after approx. thirty hands.

Preflop: chesspain is SB with J, J.
4 folds, MP2 raises, 1 fold, Button 3-bets, chesspain...?

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ohhh tough... If initial raiser were EP this is a fold. hmm.... go ahead and cap.

[KornGeek]

I would most likely call.

I'm not folding because JJ has a decent chance against any other starting hand. Also, stats for only 30 hands aren't necessarily statistically valid.

I'm not raising because they seem unlikely to fold, and it seems unlikely that I would have the best hand at this point. The only thing I stand to gain is respect on later rounds, but at this point I'd rather have them less afraid of me if I do hit my hand.

Even though MP2 is likely to cap, I'm calling.

[Entity]

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Even though MP2 is likely to cap,

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MP2 isn't really all that likely to cap.

Rob

[CallMeIshmael]

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If initial raiser were EP this is a fold. hmm.... go ahead and cap.

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I thought this as well.

[KornGeek]

My personal experience (based on a limited quantity of live play, so take it with a grain of salt) is that when a player raises and gets re-raised pre-flop, he tends to cap it. Especially when you have two aggressive players. It seems to be more of a pissing contest than solid poker, but from what I've seen, it happens about 7 out of 10 times.

[einbert]

Given the SB structure and your position and the information you have, I am very inclined to fold.

I think just calling is a fairly close second choice.

[bozlax]

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...it seems unlikely that I would have the best hand at this point.

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So you're going to put 3 bets into a pot currently containing 6 bets to draw to your 2 outs? I'm afraid that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

My inclination is to fold, but I've been told I sometimes (like infinity minus one percent of the time) play weak-tight.

[Entity]

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It seems to be more of a pissing contest than solid poker, but from what I've seen, it happens about 7 out of 10 times.

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Let's say he's openraising with 77-AA, A8s+, ATo+, KJ+, KTs+, QJs+. Do you really think he's capping with 70% of those hands?

You're not dealing with random players here or robots, or players that do things for no particular reason. Most TAGs are capping QQ-AA, AKs, and possibly AK. JJ is also possible but not nearly 100% of the time. That doesn't nearly constitute 70% of the hands that he originally raised with.

Rob