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View Poll Results: You are in MP2 with KJs, UTG+1 limps, folds round to you who..
raise 13 13.54%
limp 61 63.54%
fold 22 22.92%
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Old 12-05-2005, 02:11 PM
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I really hate KTo. Can somebody convince me to play this?

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Sure, if you enjoy the aggravation of burning up chips when you hit against the passive limper who doesn't raise with A 10, KJ and KQ. Miniscule ev at best- not worth getting into trouble over IMO.

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How about when we hit vs dominated hands like JT/QT/K9s, which are more likely to have been limped in than AT and KQ.
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Old 12-05-2005, 02:15 PM
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Default Re: Specific preflop plays

Here's a question: Take the same instance of the KT examples but make it KTs.

Is this a raise in both situations?
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Old 12-05-2005, 03:09 PM
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Default Re: Don\'t hate-evaluate

I apologize that the original post was a little bit vague, as I had intended to include necessary preflop information. The intention was supposed to be that the loose-bad player was limping in EP while the loose/decent player was in MP. The loose/decent player would have a greater range of limping hands, but will generally play them well postflop.
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Old 12-05-2005, 03:18 PM
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Default Re: Specific preflop plays

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Here's a question: Take the same instance of the KT examples but make it KTs.

Is this a raise in both situations?

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This is probably right on the cutoff as well. I'd probably raise it with 3 limpers with KTs, limp with only 2.
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Old 12-05-2005, 03:27 PM
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Default Re: Specific preflop plays

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Here's a question: Take the same instance of the KT examples but make it KTs.

Is this a raise in both situations?

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yes
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Old 12-05-2005, 11:25 PM
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Default Re: Specific preflop plays

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Here's a question: Take the same instance of the KT examples but make it KTs.

Is this a raise in both situations?

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With salivating enthusiasm.
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Old 12-05-2005, 11:36 PM
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Default Re: Specific preflop plays

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I really hate KTo. Can somebody convince me to play this?

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Sure, if you enjoy the aggravation of burning up chips when you hit against the passive limper who doesn't raise with A 10, KJ and KQ. Miniscule ev at best- not worth getting into trouble over IMO.

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How about when we hit vs dominated hands like JT/QT/K9s, which are more likely to have been limped in than AT and KQ.

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Point taken. The personal comfort level is what I was getting at. It would be nice to see some big databases chime in.
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Old 12-06-2005, 02:28 AM
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Default Re: Specific preflop plays

If there was some chance of getting the blinds out I would raise AT. If there isn't... MAYBE I'd still raise with 2 limpers.

I am not playing KT at all in this situation.
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Old 12-06-2005, 04:52 PM
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Default Re: Specific preflop plays

The only item that really surprises me in these results is that people are more willing to play KTo, a hand that doesn't play well multiway, when there are 3 limpers instead of 2. Is this because the additional player is poor or because you (the people who called with 3 but not 2 limpers) like this hand against more players?
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Old 12-06-2005, 06:47 PM
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The only item that really surprises me in these results is that people are more willing to play KTo, a hand that doesn't play well multiway, when there are 3 limpers instead of 2. Is this because the additional player is poor or because you (the people who called with 3 but not 2 limpers) like this hand against more players?

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According to SSHE, top pair hands benefit more from dead money than they lose to the pot being multiway.
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