am I spewing?

Athelas · #1 07-05-2005, 03:14 PM

Villain is pretty crazy, but capable of laying down if he thinks he is beat, no reads on the other guy.

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Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.33 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, CO raises, UTG calls, Hero 3-bets, CO caps, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (11.16 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, CO raises, UTG calls, Hero 3-bets, CO caps, UTG folds, Hero calls.

River: (21.16 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 23.16 BB

Grisgra · #2 07-05-2005, 03:28 PM

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River: (21.16 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 23.16 BB

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No checkraise on the river? Weak-tight play like that will get you nowhere.

etizzle · #3 07-05-2005, 03:40 PM

a straight is 5 in a row

cocofrite · #4 07-05-2005, 03:40 PM

You have not outs to clean except jack if utg holds tj, but it's 3-6 so noone will ever fold top pair nor overpair.

To put it in a nutshell I think you played it way too agressively (except on the river where the call just sucks).

I Play 2 Ski · #5 07-05-2005, 03:49 PM

I wouldn't call it spewing, its more like explosive projectile chip vomiting

Athelas · #6 07-05-2005, 03:50 PM

thank you that's great to know, I tought I was playing soko [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

MrStretchie · #7 07-05-2005, 05:15 PM

OK..
Betting out on the flop doesn't make sense. (Unless you knew UTG was a fool who'd call anything..) You've got 21 outs to TP or better here.. you want to trap them both in for as many bets as possible, not have UTG raised out..

So I'd CR the flop, but yes, if you can get it capped 3 ways, that's great.

On the turn, you Could still value bet 3-ways.. your straight draw outs are probably good. I'd count your overcards for 3 outs total, and the flush is good maybe half the time or a bit better.. (This really depends on whether UTG is a fool calling station, or whether he'd only call down like this with a strong draw.) So you've got something like 14 outs. 3 ways you're likely looking at about 0 EV, so it makes more sense to wait and exploit the river if you hit. If based on reads you figure the flush is good more often, a value raise might make sense here, but not a bet, for the same reasons as on the flop. Either way though, it probably makes sense to wait and exploit the much bigger edge on the river.

You didn't hit, so either fold *recommended*, or raise if you know you're against a fool who'd go nuts like this all the way then fold the river to a raise. Not very bloody often that'll happen though.. Don't call this river.

Grisgra · #8 07-05-2005, 05:23 PM

I don't play the turn like you did, but I'll admit it, if I'm in chip-spewing mode . . . I just gotta call the river, just to see what he had [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]. And maybe 1 in 25 times you crack off something dumb like 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

MrStretchie · #9 07-05-2005, 05:32 PM

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I don't play the turn like you did, but I'll admit it, if I'm in chip-spewing mode . . . I just gotta call the river, just to see what he had . And maybe 1 in 25 times you crack off something dumb like 8 7 .

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And actually, if I'd built the pot to the insane proportion that he did, I probably would raise the river rather than fold if there was any chance he would fold a busted draw. When I said before that I'd probably fold it was if I didn't think there was a good chance he'd fold the river, and without having done all the raising on the turn.

As for calling 'just to see'.. unless the guy's an utter maniac, I'd save it. What kind of hand is he 3-betting preflop, then playing like this, that you could possibly beat? Nothing..

djoyce003 · #10 07-05-2005, 05:35 PM

yes....the flop action isn't bad as you are a favorite with two cards to come...when the turn bricks you are no longer the favorite and you should have check called...why on earth would you call the river with queen high.