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Old 12-14-2005, 07:21 PM
zaphod zaphod is offline
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Default Re: How do you make money in SSNL?

Most important are of course my opponents mistakes. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]


I do a lot of position raising. So far about half of my profite has been from the button(in 6 max NL), so i do a lot of stealing there(Raise preflop, win pot with cbet on the flop.)

Looking at my tiny pockertracker data i find:
I loose money on my no-pair hands, and 1 pair hands, and win money on all others, so that my opponents are not able to lay down TP or similar hands is helping a lot.
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Old 12-14-2005, 07:24 PM
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Default Re: How do you make money in SSNL?

sucky opponents and the best hand
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Old 12-14-2005, 08:04 PM
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Default Re: How do you make money in SSNL?

I would say dont slowplay big pairs pf (AA,KK,QQ) be prepared to get all in pf with Aces and Kings- u will see all sorts of weird all ins from people.

If you flop a set or real strong hand- play it fast and be willing to reraise and get all all in when you are big favourite.

I agree with the no FPS arguement- just play the cards, these donks wont realise you havent played a hand for 20 hands and when you raise you stack their QT with your AA!

Good luck
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Old 12-14-2005, 09:26 PM
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Default Re: How do you make money in SSNL?

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Ive narrowed it down to my superior hand selection

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I've recently changed my hand selection. I'm going for monster hands more often now, since TPTK is too fragile. If I pot TPTK, I usually get called to the river by someone with a set -- or not called at all. To me, this means suited connectors go way up in value, and offsuit broadways (even KQ and AQ) drop.

This is a recent change, so maybe I haven't yet learned to maximize profit from KQ and AQ. But 87s and the like are doing really well for me.

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and superior ability to read and analyze the board versus said fish.

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My current hand-reading ability is "fold to a raise". I tailor my betting to my opponent, but I haven't had much luck putting them on hands. I'm still making some money, so maybe this is where I look to improve next.

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We avoid common traps such as min betting and slowplaying

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I think these are good sources of profit. They minbet, letting me make my draws. They minbet, letting me call down cheaply in WA/WB situations. They slowplay, letting me improve from 7-high to a BD str8 or flush.

So, we profit because:
1) we bet well. When we're ahead, we make them pay.
2) we know pot odds, and can evaluate when a draw will be profitable
3) we are mindful of position, using late position to chase out weak hands, bluff, steal pots, and make free card plays
4) we don't call down too liberally
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Old 12-14-2005, 10:24 PM
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Default Re: How do you make money in SSNL?

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My opponents general inability to acknowledge the existence of hands better than their own.

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Old 12-14-2005, 10:35 PM
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Default Re: How do you make money in SSNL?

At party x-skin 25 nl games, just bully them. At stars 100 nl games with a few fish at the table, you have to use less bullying and more value betting, I think.

Basically you have to find out what your opponents mistakes will be, and tailor each action in each hand towards attacking the mistake that will be most lucrative*most prevalent on a given board texture.

Simple stuff, eh? Wish I could do it. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 12-14-2005, 11:00 PM
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Default Re: How do you make money in SSNL?

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Pushing small edges for maximum profit....

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She asked about making money, not how to go broke.

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your opinion and his depend on:

how accurately you can assess those small edges, bankroll size, risk tolerance.
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Old 12-14-2005, 11:05 PM
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Default Re: How do you make money in SSNL?

i didnt read this thread but the answer is:

people dont fold
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Old 12-14-2005, 11:06 PM
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Pushing small edges for maximum profit.

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ok i lied i read this and this is not how you make money in ssnl
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Old 12-14-2005, 11:35 PM
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An analogy would be to see yourself as a spider patiently waiting for something to fall into your trap.
You use your patience to wait for high quality hands. When you hit the nuts,, and you have an opponent who is happy with their hand, you try to maximize your lkely return.
That's the upside.
Many times, lady luck neither smiles nor frowns on us. She simply ignores us. Here discipline to wait it out, and more importantly discipline to not lose a lot of money on second best hands because you have grown impatient , is what earns you your pay check. Losing a lot less than the next guy, when the cards go against you, is just as important as winning a lot when the cards are hot.
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