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Old 11-02-2005, 01:16 AM
BillFranklin BillFranklin is offline
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Default Re: 3 all in before me what is the move here?

easy fold.
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Old 11-02-2005, 09:20 AM
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Default Re: 3 all in before me what is the move here?

err fold. Your up against a set and a higher flush draw probably.
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Old 11-02-2005, 09:30 AM
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Default Re: 3 all in before me what is the move here?

If your read is correct, easy call.
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Old 11-02-2005, 10:26 AM
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Default Re: 3 all in before me what is the move here?

How would you have won the pot? You had nothing...
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Old 11-02-2005, 01:09 PM
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Default Re: 3 all in before me what is the move here?

Nevermind Im the idiot...... I didnt see the turn was a heart....
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Old 11-02-2005, 02:45 PM
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Default Re: 3 all in before me what is the move here?

Sigh, I disagree with this being an easy fold. It could just be me, but he is getting 3:1 on a 2:1 to hit the flush right?

I realize that someone may very well have a higher flush draw, and i WOULD fold here. But I wouldn't call this an 'easy fold'. I think it is worth contemplating. Those are pretty good odds at 3:1 / 2:1 to hit.
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Old 11-02-2005, 02:46 PM
Lottery Larry Lottery Larry is offline
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Default Re: 3 all in before me what is the move here?

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But I wouldn't call this an 'easy fold'. I think it is worth contemplating. Those are pretty good odds at 3:1 / 2:1 to hit.

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The important question is, what are the odds of you hitting the flush and having the winning HAND in this situation? Just because we know the cards doesn't mean you can assume 2:1.
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Old 11-02-2005, 02:54 PM
SoloAJ SoloAJ is offline
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Default Re: 3 all in before me what is the move here?

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But I wouldn't call this an 'easy fold'. I think it is worth contemplating. Those are pretty good odds at 3:1 / 2:1 to hit.

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The important question is, what are the odds of you hitting the flush and having the winning HAND in this situation? Just because we know the cards doesn't mean you can assume 2:1.

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That is what I'm saying though. Even assuming you're up against a possible boat, you still have a good chance of winning if no one has the higher flush draw. I would fold. You would fold. But I think saying it is "easiest fold ever" is basically trying to imply the OP is an idiot. So I guess I'm defending the fact that at least he asked.
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Old 11-02-2005, 03:38 PM
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you still have a good chance of winning if no one has the higher flush draw.

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I think Lottery Larry's point is that 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] is one of the worst flush draws you can have. The only flush you beat is 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Every other combination of suited hole cards beats 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
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Old 11-02-2005, 04:00 PM
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Default Re: 3 all in before me what is the move here?

I may be stupid but I don't see why it's an easy fold.

If you win you get about $60 and it costs you about $23 to call so you're getting 60/23 odds at two chances at a 4.1 to 1 dog.

So if you win when you make the flush it's a good deal.

So the question here is: What are the chances that they are on a heart flush draw? (except for 34h which you beat)

The hand I'd be most afraid of is AhXh
I don't think someone would bet all in on a dangerous straight making texture with KhXh.

I don't think they would limp in with AhKh or AhQh would they?

Would the first player bet $60 all in with a AhXh?

Probably not.

For the second all in player, who calls without thinking ... it's a mistake to call all in with AhXh. So I'm not putting him on AhXh.

The sb who checked and called ... is getting 2:1 to put all in so he has pot odds to call with AhXh. But wouldn't he bet his nut flush draw?

Plus your reads say they don't bet all in unless they have monsters.

Nope I'm calling here.
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