Limp with a suited ace - lost on the flop...

meep_42 · #1 03-30-2005, 03:41 PM

CO is a TAG over 70-80 hands, 18/8/2.0 or somesuch, no real solid reads on him other than that.

UTG+1 is rockish pre-flop, tight and passive 14/2 but a bit more aggressive post-flop, 1.6ish over 110 hands.

Others are unknown.

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 2 folds, CO raises, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero...

What's the line to take here?

My thoughts in white:
PF: limp with suited aces, ok. Raise, crap. Oh well, at least there's a couple others in to pay off if I hit big.
Flop: Top pair, top kicker, BD flush draw. I may have the best hand, but there's not too much that can come on the turn. If I am ahead, I've likely got the pfr and/or a limper reverse dominated. AK won't fold, and I don't want them to, but it would be nice to get any card higher than a 6 out. If I bet out, overcards will likely raise to possibly clear the field, so let's try that... 

-d

Fat Nicky · #2 03-30-2005, 03:47 PM

I think it's an easy bet. If CO raises his overcards, great, you probably get things heads up. This is the best scenario. If he calls behind and you get additional calls, you have some possibilities.

meep_42 · #3 03-30-2005, 03:48 PM

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I think it's an easy bet. If CO raises his overcards, great, you probably get things heads up. This is the best scenario. If he calls behind and you get additional calls, you have some possibilities.

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What's the plan for the turn?

-d

SeaEagle · #4 03-30-2005, 03:50 PM

Unforunately, you're in a bad spot to protect your hand. Since the CO will almost surely bet if you check, a C/R won't do you much good. Bet and hope the CO raises.

Seems like this is a fold PF. With one raise per 50+ hands, UTG+1 is probably not raising w/ AQ, AJ, and any pairs he plays TT and below. I'd think there'd be too many hands dominating me to want to get involved w/ A6s and only one really tight caller in front of me.

QTip · #5 03-30-2005, 03:55 PM

This is too tight. I think the limp is fine here.

Also, meep, I think this is a good time to bet and hope PFRer clears the field.

jskills · #6 03-30-2005, 03:58 PM

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Seems like this is a fold PF.

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I just can't seem to do it with Ax suited. I find myself limping UTG with this hand on loose tables. Maybe it's a leak? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

meep_42 · #7 03-30-2005, 04:01 PM

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Seems like this is a fold PF.

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I just can't seem to do it with Ax suited. I find myself limping UTG with this hand on loose tables. Maybe it's a leak? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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His thoughts have merit. What range of hands is a 14/2 limping with UTG+1?

AQo? AJ? pocket pairs 22-TT?

I'm behind all of these pre-flop, and on the flop I have reverse dominated the aces, but am well behind 22, 44, 66, 77-TT.

-d

flair1239 · #8 03-30-2005, 04:03 PM

I would bet into the CO. I think my desired result would be that he raised and in a perfect world we would end up heads up with him likely reverse dominated.

The other option is checking and using your relative position to him (if he bets) to see what the action is like when it comes back to you. probably call closing the action and see what the turn brings.

But I prefer betting into him. He has plenty of incentive to raise, even with overcards abd I really think it is possible and desireable to thin the field here. As for three betting him if he raises, it would depend on if any body got knocked out. If it is going to be heads up I don't mind over representing my hand here, if I think there is a chance to fold him on the turn.

If it's not heads up I just call and see what card the turn delivers.

Fat Nicky · #9 03-30-2005, 04:20 PM

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I think it's an easy bet. If CO raises his overcards, great, you probably get things heads up. This is the best scenario. If he calls behind and you get additional calls, you have some possibilities.

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What's the plan for the turn?

-d

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If CO raises and clears the field:
-check/raise a 6
-bet an A
-check/call and other card

If CO raises, and one or more cold caller.
-check/raise a 6
-bet an A.
-check/call a heart
-will check and watch action on any broadway card...

If CO calls, and one or more callers.
-bet any card except a K or Q, maybe a J.

I'm sure there are many more scenarios I didn't mention, but in general, this is how I'd go about playing the turn.

Fat Nicky · #10 03-30-2005, 04:21 PM

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Seems like this is a fold PF.

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I just can't seem to do it with Ax suited. I find myself limping UTG with this hand on loose tables. Maybe it's a leak? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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it's not a leak