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Old 12-29-2005, 03:27 PM
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Default 10/20 big draw

Villain has ~2800, I cover. His stats are 23/7, probably a winning player hasn't done anything too crazy from what I remember

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 7h 9h ]
UTG calls [$20].
2 folds.
Hero calls [$20].
Villain calls [$20].
3 folds
SB calls [$10].
BB checks.
5 to the flop.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Th, Js, Kh ] ($97 in pot)
SB checks.
BB bets [$97].
1 fold.
Hero calls [$97].
Villain raises [$250].
SB folds.
BB folds.
Hero calls [$153].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7d ] ($694 in pot)
Hero checks.
Villain bets [$500].
Hero ???.

I ended up folding but seemed like I played it pretty weakly for such a big draw. I figured a lot of my outs might not be good and I wouldn't really know where I stood or be able to get more money in if I did hit being out of position. Thoughts?
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Old 12-29-2005, 04:04 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 big draw

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I wouldn't really know where I stood or be able to get more money in if I did hit being out of position.

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These are arguments in favor of playing the flop very fast, not cautiously.
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Old 12-29-2005, 04:12 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 big draw

time to fold

your big draw is likely to be a huge underdog if money goes in on turn. calling with draw on turn that will commit you on river is not an option
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Old 12-29-2005, 04:13 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 big draw

your draw is not as big as it looks.
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Old 12-29-2005, 04:22 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 big draw

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your draw is not as big as it looks.

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Old 12-29-2005, 04:44 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 big draw

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I wouldn't really know where I stood or be able to get more money in if I did hit being out of position.

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These are arguments in favor of playing the flop very fast, not cautiously.

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There are definitely arguments for this. . . but I wouldn't play it fast in this case. I normally play big draws like this fast when I definitely have 15 clean outs and/or lots of fold equity. Definitely don't have that here. And like lapoker and AZK said, it's def not as strong as it looks.

Time to fold, well played
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Old 12-29-2005, 04:57 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 big draw

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These are arguments in favor of playing the flop very fast, not cautiously.

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There are definitely arguments for this. . . but I wouldn't play it fast in this case. I normally play big draws like this fast when I definitely have 15 clean outs and/or lots of fold equity. Definitely don't have that here. And like lapoker and AZK said, it's def not as strong as it looks.

Time to fold, well played

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I agree and I wasn't arguing for playing it fast. Just pointing out a flaw in the thinking.
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Old 12-29-2005, 05:08 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 big draw

wheres the big draw?
i just see an 8 draw.
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Old 12-29-2005, 05:30 PM
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wheres the big draw?
i just see an 8 draw.

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Flush draw, double gutter to the ignorant end of the straight, bottom pair on turn. 20 outs if they're all clean!

A fold is fine though, because they're not.
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Old 12-29-2005, 05:45 PM
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yeah I know was just elaborating, sorry for the confusion [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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