I think Ed Miller has it wrong...

[whiskeytown]

I think his book advocates play that increases the variance WAY too much -

I also think it assumes your opponents are morons who go to the river with A high and never assumes they might actually have an A or top pair or set -

while I MIGHT be tempted to open up my game a bit, I find it highly unlikely I will be taking all his comments to fruition to their fullest extent...

discuss amongst yourselves...what have your results been...I'm finding bankroll swings that would require a $3000 bankroll on 2/4 to ride out...

I mean, look even at the discussion boards....the forum is full of people trying the concepts, and looking for justification why they bombed so bad...

something is amiss here, methinks...discuss amongst yourselves


RB

[jacki]

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I also think it assumes your opponents are morons who go to the river with A high and never assumes they might actually have an A or top pair or set

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On Party usually and at Potowatomi in Milwaukee (and I assume most B&M low/midlimit games) almost always, this assumption is correct.

[whiskeytown]

not on Pokerstars anyways....

RB

[cab4656]

Well, for what it's worth, I believe the "Tight Games" preflop strategy applies much more to most online games than the "Loose Games" preflop strategy.

[whiskeytown]

that I will agree with...

RB

[nothumb]

I think the style Miller advocates is a little too LAG for Pokerstars at 2/4. I think you can use some of his specific points however, such as outs, hidden outs and little edge/big edge stuff.

It murders 2/4 and 3/6 on Party though.

NT

[whiskeytown]

like I'm gonna believe any prissy bastard from the Lake Minnetonka Yachy Club...

LOL - J/K -

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[slavic]

I find most 4/8 B&M games a looser and more passive than online games. However, he does describe profitable situations with marginally profitable hands. This will increase variance but it also increases your EV. If you wish to cut back your potential to save on variance this is fine, you just cost yourself money. In a B&M setting this can be quite costly because your hands are quite reduced in a day.

The other thing that you are forced to do is play better postflop. Waiting around for good starters doesn't challenge your close decision making skills and does not improve your game at quite the rate.

[BeerMoney]

He's not wrong, he's just not writing for the games you are playing! But, you are right, you are not playing against total morons. I find on party poker 2/4 there are 1-2 morons per table on average, not 7.

I think ed is used to wild casino games.

[bonanz]

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I think ed is used to wild casino games.

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yes, ssh applies to low limit vegas games to a T. this goes into the old b&m v. online tightness/looseness.