something i have been doing of late - Page 7

DMBFan23 · #61 11-21-2005, 06:02 PM

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Man, looking through that thread a bit its amazing how much they mentino 4BB+. What a difference a year makes.

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I would not be surprised if an expert player could pull 4BB/100 out of the Party 10/20 game.

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if 10/20 were the only game available (negating the argument of 'well he'd just go play 100/200 anyway') wouldn't it make a lot of sense for this player to play 8+ tables at 2.5 BB/100 instead? I do not know the function of winrate vs. # of tables, and I assume it is not linear, but if some of the multitablers on here could pull that down if they were 1-tabling, wouldn't they choose not to?

seems that many would rather flex their e-penis at their hourly rate than at their BB/100 rate [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Wynton · #62 11-21-2005, 06:11 PM

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seems that many would rather flex their e-penis at their hourly rate than at their BB/100 rate [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I'm afraid I have e-penis envy.

sammy_g · #63 11-21-2005, 06:25 PM

Well I'm not saying it makes sense for an expert to be playing 10/20. I'm just spectulating about the highest theoretical earn for a very strong player.

Many say the ceiling is 3BB/100. I think it's higher, but it's just a guess since I have no way to prove it.

DMBFan23 · #64 11-21-2005, 06:59 PM

yeah, I guess I was just lamenting that we'd probably never know, even from the best 10/20 players, cause they'd be multitabling and maybe more focused on $ per hour

flawless_victory · #65 11-21-2005, 11:24 PM

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i also raise out of the blind in unraised pots w/ anything playable.

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Can you gives some examples?

Also...

2 limpers, SB comes, and you have 87s?

1 limper, SB comes, and you have 44?

2 limpers, SB folds, and you have T7s?

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depends on the players.
id prob raise them all... the 44 is automatic.

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Interesting.

Couple more...

3 limpers, SB comes, and a you have 76s?

2 limpers, SB comes, and you have 74s?

2 limpers, SB folds, and you have 65s?

You mentioned it depends on players... you are looking for weak or tight players that might fold to a follow up flop bet? You are usually betting most somewhat unconnected boards on the flop?

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the first 2 id check and 56s three ways id raise sopmetimes, but prob not even 50%.

i do bet almost every flop after raising OOP.

sthief09 · #66 11-21-2005, 11:28 PM

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wouldn't it make a lot of sense for this player to play 8+ tables at 2.5 BB/100 instead?

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that is what i have been doing lately

$/hr is all that really matters to me

#67 11-22-2005, 05:14 AM

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Not necessarily. You can just be comming into more spots where your standards allow continuing in the hand.

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Comming? Oh man, what a Freudian slip...too much porn in your life.

It's coming.

roy_miami · #68 11-22-2005, 06:59 AM

In my opinion to increase these numbers you need to start 3-betting much more liberally especially on the button from CO raises and in the SB from button raises and CO raises, more 3bets the CO from hijack raises and so on. The guys you want to 3-bet more liberally are the 20-30% PFR guys, which is one of the reasons VPIP and PFR stats increase as you go up in levels. I'm thinking there is an upper threshold for preflop raise % where it would be +EV to 3bet any hand on the button if this guys raises from the CO. I would guess that threshold is somewhere in the 30-40% range.

If my theory is correct and it would be profitable to 3bet somebody with a PFR 40% with any 2 cards then working down you could probably figure what range would be profitable to 3bet somebody with a 30% PFR. Maybe Tx hands or better for example. If he's 22-25%, maybe 3-bet Q2o or better. I'm guessing at these 3-bet hand ranges to PFR percentage raises and I'm too lazy/tired /stupid to come up with actual ranges but hopefully this will get some discussion/experiments going because this is an area i need to work on myself.

Also, if everything I said is true then your experiment to become lagier at micro limits won't work because I doubt they have the necessary preflop aggression levels to isolate them with garbage and hope they fold when they miss. Plus the blinds are going to be much looser as well.

bugstud · #69 11-22-2005, 07:18 AM

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wouldn't it make a lot of sense for this player to play 8+ tables at 2.5 BB/100 instead?

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that is what i have been doing lately

$/hr is all that really matters to me

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I really need to make this image, except that the money going through a shredder, as my avatar

Victor · #70 11-22-2005, 01:54 PM

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n my opinion to increase these numbers you need to start 3-betting much more liberally especially on the button from CO raises and in the SB from button raises and CO raises, more 3bets the CO from hijack raises and so on. The guys you want to 3-bet more liberally are the 20-30% PFR guys, which is one of the reasons VPIP and PFR stats increase as you go up in levels. I'm thinking there is an upper threshold for preflop raise % where it would be +EV to 3bet any hand on the button if this guys raises from the CO. I would guess that threshold is somewhere in the 30-40% range.

If my theory is correct and it would be profitable to 3bet somebody with a PFR 40% with any 2 cards then working down you could probably figure what range would be profitable to 3bet somebody with a 30% PFR. Maybe Tx hands or better for example. If he's 22-25%, maybe 3-bet Q2o or better. I'm guessing at these 3-bet hand ranges to PFR percentage raises and I'm too lazy/tired /stupid to come up with actual ranges but hopefully this will get some discussion/experiments going because this is an area i need to work on myself.

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excell?