Even stacks on bubble

[HonestIago15]

***** Hand History for Game 2520416721 *****
300/600 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 14761786) - Fri Aug 12 00:43:49 EDT 2005
Table Table 13991 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: Trev1222 (1933)
Seat 2: skairzo (1823)
Seat 7: MrDragon999 (2067)
Seat 8: beck666666 (2177)
MrDragon999 posts small blind (150)
beck666666 posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to MrDragon999 [ Kc, 2s ]
Trev1222 folds.
skairzo folds.
MrDragon999 raises (1917) to 2067
MrDragon999 is all-In.
beck666666 calls (1767)
Creating Main Pot with $4134 with MrDragon999
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7d, 9c, Jd ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qd ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 9s ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 4134 |
Board: [ 7d 9c Jd Qd 9s ]
Trev1222 balance 1933, didn't bet (folded)
skairzo balance 1823, didn't bet (folded)
MrDragon999 balance 0, lost 2067 [ Kc 2s ] [ a pair of nines -- Kc,Qd,Jd,9c,9s ]
beck666666 balance 4244, bet 2067, collected 4134, net +2067 [ 2h Ac ] [ a pair of nines with ace kicker -- Ac,Qd,Jd,9c,9sAc(kicker card) ]



Would you push this? What are your pushing standards with almost even stacks on the bubble from SB?

[Nottom]

i'd push it and be happy about it.

He needs to be calling with about 20% of his hands to make it a bad push ... of course based on his call he very well may be.

[flytrap]

I don't like this push at all. You have plenty of chips, and if you get called here you're probably a significant underdog. I'd rather wait to see if your opponents will play a big pot. To push from the sb, I'd need something like k8, a pair, ax. If he calls there is a big chance you're out of the tourney. If you fold, you haven't hurt your chances much of getting 1st.

[Nottom]

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I don't like this push at all. You have plenty of chips, and if you get called here you're probably a significant underdog. I'd rather wait to see if your opponents will play a big pot. To push from the sb, I'd need something like k8, a pair, ax. If he calls there is a big chance you're out of the tourney. If you fold, you haven't hurt your chances much of getting 1st.

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Against a good player I would push with any 2 here. Against a 10+1 player I think K2 is pretty much the cutoff.

The fact is he is going to fold way most of the time and of the few times you do get called you will win about 1/3 of the time. The blinds represent nearly 25% of your stack ... you need to push here.

Yes its scary, yes it sucks when he calls, but this is the type of push that wins SNGs.

[45suited]

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if you get called here you're probably a significant underdog.

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Why do people make statements like this all the time? The fact that IF you get called here you're a significant underdog is just another way of saying that he should only be calling with extremely good hands. Put another way, your opponent will almost always fold, thus pushing is a good play.

The push was good. Easily the correct play and not even close.

[lastchance]

Ok, normally, Villain should be damn afraid of busting, and have a hard time calling AT against your any 2 push, let alone A2 against a push that's not going to be any 2.

But, you have to adapt to Villain's suckiness. You must understand that getting called here sucks, and Villain's not going to see that he shouldn't call A2.

So, you need to really tighten up because of Villain's wide range. Still, Villain has to really suck here for you to fold K2, IMHO.

[runner4life7]

Ok at first i saw the 300/600 and thought that those were the blinds. I still am pushing this everytime.

[45suited]

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Against a good player I would push with any 2 here. Against a 10+1 player I think K2 is pretty much the cutoff.

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Nottom, I have to disagree with the K2 being the cutoff part of your statement. Isn't this just a pure case of using the SK hand rankings? Especially since the stacksizes are essentially equal, SK applies completely here. (No waiting for a mini-stack to bust considerations.) Or am I missing something?

[lastchance]

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Against a good player I would push with any 2 here. Against a 10+1 player I think K2 is pretty much the cutoff.

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Nottom, I have to disagree with the K2 being the cutoff part of your statement. Isn't this just a pure case of using the SK hand rankings? Especially since the stacksizes are essentially equal, SK applies completely here. (No waiting for a mini-stack to bust considerations.) Or am I missing something?

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If Villain calls an 00ber-wide range, you can't push a range. Remember, getting into a coinflip on the bubble sucks, so we tighten up our calling range. +Chip EV moves aren't +$EV.

If opponent calls a huge range, this factor also comes in. Because confrontations leaving you with little to nothing suck on the bubble, and getting called means you get into a confronation, you will need to fold some +Chip EV hands if your opponent calls with horrible hands.

[ilya]

You should be able to asnwer this question yourself by this point in the tournament, by being able to make a good educated guess about his calling range. Saying that you should always push or always fold here is silly. You need reads!!