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#1
05-28-2005, 04:04 PM
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Did I overplay 88?
No reads, early in the session. I'm calling on the button for set value. I raise pretty often in this situation on the flop. Am I spewing here?
Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, CO calls, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls. Flop: (10.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, CO folds, Hero calls, BB calls. Turn: (10.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero folds, BB calls. 
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#2
05-28-2005, 04:52 PM
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Re: Did I overplay 88?
if this is standard i'd like to know. i think it's a fairly common situation and it could be a big leak for me if it's wrong.
Everytime you read this post without replying the poker gods allow a fish to hit his two outer on you.
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#3
05-28-2005, 04:55 PM
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Re: Did I overplay 88?
I'm folding preflop, but would play the flop and turn the same way.
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#4
05-28-2005, 04:57 PM
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Re: Did I overplay 88?
Definitely not standard. The best line in these situations is the WA/WB with position line, which goes call-call-call. This ONLY makes sense if it's a loose UTG raiser who may raise many hands. Otherwise, you're bad shape to a majority of his possible holdings and should fold.
As for your line, the only hand you could fold is A-high (which may still 3-bet). You'd like this hand to bluff every street.
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#5
05-28-2005, 05:01 PM
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Re: Did I overplay 88?
I play it the same way.
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#6
05-28-2005, 05:03 PM
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Re: Did I overplay 88?
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The best line in these situations is the WA/WB with position line, which goes call-call-call. [/ QUOTE ] This is not WA/WB. WA/WB, by defintion, occurs when it is unlikely that hero would be outdrawn when he is ahead. This is very much not the case, given that when hero is ahead, UTG likely has 6 outs.
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#7
05-28-2005, 05:04 PM
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Re: Did I overplay 88?
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Definitely not standard. The best line in these situations is the WA/WB with position line, which goes call-call-call. This ONLY makes sense if it's a loose UTG raiser who may raise many hands. Otherwise, you're bad shape to a majority of his possible holdings and should fold. As for your line, the only hand you could fold is A-high (which may still 3-bet). You'd like this hand to bluff every street. [/ QUOTE ] Uhhh does this seem really bad to anyone else besides me? I don't think you can consider 88 WA/WB. Especially with other players in.
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#9
05-28-2005, 05:07 PM
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Re: Did I overplay 88?
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I'm folding preflop. [/ QUOTE ] Gots to loosen up duder. Im not folding 22 here.
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#10
05-28-2005, 05:13 PM
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Re: Did I overplay 88?
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[ QUOTE ] I'm folding preflop. [/ QUOTE ] Gots to loosen up duder. Im not folding 22 here. [/ QUOTE ] I posted because I was unsure about the preflop fold. Since the micro-time I have been using the "5:1 on a preflop cold call with a PP"-rule. In this case I can agree calling with 88 could be done since I will win the pot UI every now and then. But my postion for winning UI is not great since I will rarely be able to isolate the PFR. OTOH I will be able to trap a lot of players by raising the PFR when I have hit a set. Still, calling 22 seems too loose. Should that be standard?
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