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1800GAMBLER · #1 03-20-2005, 01:13 AM

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, MP1 calls, 3 folds, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls.

Turn: (7 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, MP1 calls.

River: (9 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

jgorham · #2 03-20-2005, 01:16 AM

I think this is a good spot to check and induce a bluff from the missed spade draw. By checking you might even get a better T to check behind, saving you a bit of money (though thats doubtful). It just looks to me like his flop bet was a flush draw or better T, since he didn't raise the J on the turn.

TheTimeIsUp · #3 03-20-2005, 01:47 AM

I wouldn't c/r the river. Check it, and call a bet. I only see a higher ten betting you here, or a missed stright/flush draw.

astroglide · #4 03-20-2005, 03:29 AM

i would fold this one preflop, but if i were handed my cards back i'd bet the flop

mike l. · #5 03-20-2005, 03:32 AM

check and hope he checks a better ten behind on the river of bluffs or value bets something worse. basically youre toast most of the time here. the guy has a J and was being cute or timid or both on the turn. or he has a flush draw and he wont call. check that river, main reason being he might naively check behind with a better ten (which he will call with 100% of the time).

NYplayer · #6 03-20-2005, 04:21 PM

He is on 33-99 a T (could be stronger or weaker) or some missed draw.
Value betting gets paid off by a weaker T or A pocket pair. chekcing may induce a bluff from a missed draw. I also think any T will bet and 99 or 88 might also.

all of these things lead me to think that check calling is best.

SA125 · #7 03-20-2005, 05:45 PM

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check and hope he checks a better ten behind on the river of bluffs or value bets something worse. basically youre toast most of the time here. the guy has a J and was being cute or timid or both on the turn. or he has a flush draw and he wont call. check that river, main reason being he might naively check behind with a better ten (which he will call with 100% of the time).

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pfkaok · #8 03-20-2005, 05:55 PM

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i would fold this one preflop

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Me too. I'd play it in BB, but it just seems a tad loose from SB, even with the structure.

sam h · #9 03-20-2005, 07:56 PM

I will go against the grain and say bet here. A lot of party players will play medium to low pairs like this, wishfully putting you on the draw, and they are definitely calling but not betting. And I think people overestimate the frequency with which unknowns will both bluff a busted draw and check behind with something like AT here.

steveyz · #10 03-20-2005, 09:15 PM

I'd probably check and call. But if this guy will call down with any pocket pair then I bet. I fold this pre-flop. If there had been more cold callers then the call would be ok.