Super System II

[Lawrence Ng]

We'll speaking in absolute terms, Hold'em has far more players and thus more games to select and more bad players overall. In 5 card stud, if you try chasing without proper odds or if you don't have a good understanding of the game, you will get run over. Luck, while still a factor is far less available than it would be in Hold'em. Thus you wouldn't have as large of a player base because the fish would get cleaned faster.

[benfranklin]

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I agree with your assessment of HFAP. In fact, I probably got more out of 'Hold 'em Poker' than I did HFAP. The problem, as I see it, is that it's speaking to a bygone era of mid limit hold 'em-- a time when the games were played by people who still held some semblance of sanity, and could actually identify a poor starting hand when one was dealt to them.

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2+2 clarified (or admitted) this when they published SSHE. They said that the strategy in SSHE was appropriate for games where most players played too many hands and stayed too long after the flop, and that HPFAP strategy was appropriate for games where most players played correctly, i.e., tight and aggressive games. So until I find a game where most players play correctly, my copy of HPFAP is on the shelf.

[Andy B]

If you think stud/8 is boring, you're probably not playing high enough. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Andy B]

Somewhat more than half of my lifetime winnings come from stud/8. Your mileage may vary, but I am much better at stud and stud/8 than I am at hold'em. I've worked a lot on my hold'em game, but I just don't find it quite as intuitive as the stud games. I also don't enjoy it as much. Anyway, most people play stud/8 pretty badly, so my edge is greater there than in any other game, even though I think my high-only game is a little stronger. Problem is finding a game. $30/60 stud/8 went at Canterbury Park every day for a while in 2002. The game dried up, and apart from this year's Fall Classic, the game is extinct. There's a new home game that's half hold'em and half stud/8 that I have high hopes for. The early returns are good.

The good player's edge in stud/8 is greater than it is in any other standard casino limit poker game. The game attracts chasers, because a lot of hands look good, and it punishes them, because when they're chasing, it's frequently for only half the pot. The extra betting round is a factor. The fact that a monster hand can't be counterfeited as easily as in Omaha/8 is also a factor. In Omaha/8, many are scared to jam with a lock for fear of being quartered or counterfeited. Stud/8 lends itself to lots of jamming, which can make it quite expensive for the chaser.

In high-only stud, the expert has an extra betting round, and he has a lot of information at his disposal which can aid in decision-making. The best high-only stud players make a little more than the best hold'em players, all other things being equal.

In Omaha/8, if you're at a loose table, and you can stay awake (I hate the game), you've practically got a license to print money. People give their money away, and apart from the boredom factor, it's relatively easy to stay out of trouble, in my opinion.

[benfranklin]

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If you think stud/8 is boring, you're probably not playing high enough. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Just learning, so I'm playing .50/1 at Party. The boring part is folding and waiting for the next hand. The time delay between folding preflop and the next deal is long enough to be annoying and short enough that you can't get anything else done.

[Andy B]

The ante in the $.50/1.00 game is too high. If you can swing it, I'd definitely recommend the $1/2 game instead.

Having played both those games, I can assure you that $30/60 and $40/80 are much more interesting. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Andy B]

For me, definitely. I have done very well when mid-limit stud/8 was available to me, and less well when it wasn't.

[reubenf]

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How can it possibly give better advice than HPFAP?

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Can anyone tell me what these all stand for? I know some of the, but not all of them.

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