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Old 09-09-2005, 10:22 AM
1800GAMBLER 1800GAMBLER is offline
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May people are getting confused who the donkey is because i said BB instead of SB. SB is the idiot. Button is the slightly loose, slightly aggro player, about 25/11 or something.
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Old 09-09-2005, 10:39 AM
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Raise the river, your ahead more often then not.

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More than 67% of the time that you are called?
Because by raising the river, you are giving your opponent 2-1 to call. In addition, you will sometimes be 4-bet and you will often not be called by a worse hand. And you certainly are not going to get a better hand to fold. Raising here seems pretty bad to me.
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Old 09-09-2005, 10:51 AM
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I don't understand. If there's anything less than 100% chance he lays down a pocket pair, why wouldn't you raise?

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Because you will lose sometimes. For an extreme example,
suppose there is a 1% chance he has, and will call with,
a pocket pair 88-KK and a 99% chance that he has you beat.
Clearly, raising here is incorrect, even though he will
fold 88-KK less than 100% of the time.
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Old 09-10-2005, 12:21 AM
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i didn't think this was a big mistake in the hand, i've done the workings now and i'm decided on my play, but anyhow letstat wanted it up.

BB is the donkey from the QQ hand. 50/35/3, he is very very very awful. Other villian is a bit loose and a bit aggro.

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (9 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, SB calls, Hero calls.

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Again, apologies, I'm mostly an NL player.

We are calling the flop 3-bet here because of the size of the pot? Or what?
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Old 09-10-2005, 09:19 AM
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i didn't think this was a big mistake in the hand, i've done the workings now and i'm decided on my play, but anyhow letstat wanted it up.

BB is the donkey from the QQ hand. 50/35/3, he is very very very awful. Other villian is a bit loose and a bit aggro.

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (9 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, SB calls, Hero calls.

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Again, apologies, I'm mostly an NL player.

We are calling the flop 3-bet here because of the size of the pot? Or what?

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Because of the size of the pot and because he might still have the best hand.
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