Super System II

[Gata Kamsky]

How can it possibly give better advice than HPFAP?

[Andy B]

It's pretty easy for me to imagine a better hold'em book than HP4AP. Take SSH/IT, for example. Something along the lines of MLHE that wasn't so damned weak-tight would be great. HP4AP is a fine book and all, but there are areas where I think it could be improved (grammar for one). I think it's the weakest book in the Advanced Players series.

Also, S/S II is going to cover a lot of games, not just limit hold'em. I'm an anomaly, but most of the money I've won over the years has come from games other than limit hold'em. Ray has said that the real money is to be made at other games, and while I haven't made what Ray would consider real money, I tend to agree with him.

[BeerMoney]

Andy, I like 7CSFAP much more than HEPFAP. So, I second your thoughts.

[benfranklin]

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I'm an anomaly, but most of the money I've won over the years has come from games other than limit hold'em. Ray has said that the real money is to be made at other games, and while I haven't made what Ray would consider real money, I tend to agree with him.

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While fairly new to these other games, I agree, and many others have said the same thing, including Sklansky. Holdem popularity is a vicious circle. Because so many people play the game, it gets most of the attention, therefore most of the articles and books are written about holdem, and therefore most players read about and play holdem. Holdem also gets virtually all the TV time because of this, and because games like O8 and Stud8 are superficially complicated, and they are boring to play, let alone watch. But they are more profitable and have less variance than holdem.

And as Cappelletti and others point out, expert players have a very small edge over good players in games like O8, but good players have a big edge over poor players. I'm just starting to play Stud8, but I think that statement applies here also. And I'm definitely looking forward to any new material on these games.

[Andy B]

If you think stud/8 is boring, you're probably not playing high enough. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[benfranklin]

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If you think stud/8 is boring, you're probably not playing high enough. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Just learning, so I'm playing .50/1 at Party. The boring part is folding and waiting for the next hand. The time delay between folding preflop and the next deal is long enough to be annoying and short enough that you can't get anything else done.

[Andy B]

The ante in the $.50/1.00 game is too high. If you can swing it, I'd definitely recommend the $1/2 game instead.

Having played both those games, I can assure you that $30/60 and $40/80 are much more interesting. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Lawrence Ng]

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I'm an anomaly, but most of the money I've won over the years has come from games other than limit hold'em.

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You're not the only anomaly. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Ray has said that the real money is to be made at other games, and while I haven't made what Ray would consider real money, I tend to agree with him.

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As usual Ray is on the money. I think in a thread a while back started by Fossilman, there were a few respective poker authorities who delved into the game of Chinese Poker. Currently there is only one book on the subject, but that piece of literature is enough for a solid Chinese poker player to run over most games because a skilled player ultimately dominates a less skilled player.

The same can also be said for a game like Showhand. It's actually NL 5 card stud. What I like about this game is the ability to make bold heavy bets. Again there is more skill involved.

It's not hard to conceive that limit hold'em is by far the popular choice because it's much easier to learn and the mark of luck involved attracts far more recreational players without having them go bust.

[theBruiser500]

"Also, S/S II is going to cover a lot of games, not just limit hold'em. I'm an anomaly, but most of the money I've won over the years has come from games other than limit hold'em. Ray has said that the real money is to be made at other games, and while I haven't made what Ray would consider real money, I tend to agree with him."

Um, could someone elaborate on this? I've never heard of this before, how much more can you make in other games? Why? Have there been other threads or articles about this I can read? Thanks.

[benfranklin]

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Um, could someone elaborate on this? I've never heard of this before, how much more can you make in other games? Why? Have there been other threads or articles about this I can read? Thanks.

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There have been several threads on this recently in the Other Poker forum and in the Stud forum. Also see:

Mike Cappelletti:

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_maga...hives/?a_id=86


Steve Badger
http://www.playwinningpoker.com/omaha/ :

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Why play Omaha?... This website is called Play Winning Poker. While some newbies reading this Introduction will be hard pressed to do it right away, the aim is to win at Omaha -- not have fun, or even to irritate yourself. Frankly, at lower limits, winning at Omaha is easy, if you really are trying to win because most Omaha players play terribly, much worse than they play Holdem (which is not so good to start with).


In many ways, Omaha is mathematically simplistic. If you play only good starting hands and your opponents see fit to play almost every hand, and don't care whether they play for one bet or for four, soon the math of that will work in your favor. Omaha is the best game to make money, especially when you have a small bankroll. $3/6 Omaha requires only about half the bankroll of $3/6 Holdem, but your hourly win rate should be higher.

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