Catholic v. Christian

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

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It all starts with being born again. Catholics and many Christian denominations differ from true Christians in how this is accomplished. Catholics believe priest-baptized infants are born again. This is false. Any religion that baptizes infants and declares them born again is false.

You need to be born of God to be a child of God and a Christian. There are many who try to follow certain philosophies of Christ. There are few who are His kinsmen.

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When I read mindless, evil, hateful crap like this, I start thinking that human society will only move out of our infancy when all religion is purged forever from this planet.

Then I remind myself that as a libertarian I believe that even idiots like this have the right to believe their silly little fairy tales.

Excellent point on infancy.

Some of you guys have been scared into your beliefs.

Have you ever asked yourself the question, "What would I believe in if I was born in Japan or India?"

[malorum]

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When I read mindless, evil, hateful crap like this, I start thinking that human society will only move out of our infancy when all religion is purged forever from this planet.

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There have been some notable attempts to implement the suggested purge.

- Pol Pot : banned religion (Kampuchean constitution chapter fifteen article twenty)

- USSR : the state imposed severe restrictions on religious activity, banned many churches, and persecuted religious leaders.

The results speak for themselves.

Wether you are an atheist or a theist you may find the argument against religion in society somewhat more complex than it at first appears.

[ajmargarine]

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It all starts with being born again. Catholics and many Christian denominations differ from true Christians in how this is accomplished. Catholics believe priest-baptized infants are born again. This is false. Any religion that baptizes infants and declares them born again is false.

You need to be born of God to be a child of God and a Christian. There are many who try to follow certain philosophies of Christ. There are few who are His kinsmen.

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When I read mindless, evil, hateful crap like this, I start thinking that human society will only move out of our infancy when all religion is purged forever from this planet.

Then I remind myself that as a libertarian I believe that even idiots like this have the right to believe their silly little fairy tales.

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I thought your question was why some Christians think of Catholics as non-Christians? You may get some fine-point doctrinal answers that avoid the central issue, which is "Who is born again", but you won't get a better or more truthful answer than the one I gave you. Being born again is the starting point of a true Christian life. How that is "mindless, evil, hateful crap" I have no idea.

I agree with you about the futility of religion. It substitutes itself for relationship with God and does nothing but hold men back.

[David Sklansky]

"Catholics believe priest-baptized infants are born again. This is false"

You are almost certainly correct. Nice to know a few posters on this forum can think straight.

[BluffTHIS!]

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It all starts with being born again. Catholics and many Christian denominations differ from true Christians in how this is accomplished. Catholics believe priest-baptized infants are born again. This is false. Any religion that baptizes infants and declares them born again is false.


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Why don't you google for "Didache", also known as the Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, which was written in the 100s but only rediscovered in the mid 1800s. It is a primer for early christian converts to be baptized and gives the best synopsis of christian moral teachings I have ever seen. But check toward the end of it where it discusses forms of baptism. The very early christians did not believe and practice like you, whose doctrine can only be traced to the 1500s.

[ajmargarine]

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The very early christians did not believe and practice like you, whose doctrine can only be traced to the 1500s.

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You know what I believe and practice from 2 paragraphs on a message board?

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Why don't you google for "Didache", also known as the Teaching of the Twelve Apostles....

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Thank you, but I will pass. I have gone past the 'what I believe' drudgery (where so many just stop and stay and fiddle around) and gone on to enjoy the wonders of the 'Whom I believe' life. In things spiritual, he who has the experience is never at the mercy of he who has an argument.

Many of the comments here are rather silly. I am a fallen Catholic too. Catholics are Christians. "Christ" is found in the word "Christ"ian. If you believe in Christ, you are a Christian. Simply stated, because it's simple. Want to start I firestorm? I sho' as heck do, so let me add this to the non-ceremonial christians, the founders of the Catholic Church walked with Jesus (if you believe the mumbo jumbo), your founders did not. Seems to me that makes the Catholic faith the only true Christian CHurch. Alright, we murdered a good bit during the inquisition. Oops.

[Peter666]

"You need to be born of God to be a child of God and a Christian."

What did you do with the placenta?