PLO 100 - Help! I think I have a extremely big leak here.. (flop play)

[joewatch]

I would check-raise here instead of check-call if I felt Villain's bet was weak - maybe that's too aggressive?

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I would check-raise here instead of check-call if I felt Villain's bet was weak - maybe that's too aggressive?

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I might do the same if I sniffed weakness. The villian from the OP was described as tight though and if he is betting a set here a majority of the time, that check/raise is just adding fuel to a -EV fire.

[Tilt]

Check calling is terrible. Simply terrible. Check raising is functionally the same thing due to pot commitment.

Sometimes you have to accept defeat and move on to the next hand. You still have 75BB's behind. Making good folds is so important to successful PLO. Unless the opponent here is a huge donkey its a laydown, pure and simple.

[joewatch]

I don't quite understand why check-call is so bad. Hero has 10-12 outs to the nuts and may be able to get the correct implied odds on the turn.

[beset7]

Whats wrong with bet/fold to a raise? That's what I'd do most of the time (spewing?)?

[beset7]

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probably won't be able to get the correct implied odds on the turn.

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edits mine.

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Check calling is terrible. Simply terrible. Check raising is functionally the same thing due to pot commitment.

Sometimes you have to accept defeat and move on to the next hand. You still have 75BB's behind. Making good folds is so important to successful PLO. Unless the opponent here is a huge donkey its a laydown, pure and simple.

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Folding to the reraise is great and I advocate it, but with all due respect WTF are you talking about? Hero started with 95 BB and put in 5 preflop. If he then check/calls 15 BB, he is left with 80 BB on the turn. This is no where near pot committed.

Your 75 BB comment seems to come from the situation in the OP, where the poster certainly should have folded rather than call. Last time I looked that was a bet/call rather than a check/call.

Additionally, about the worst possible hand for the villian to have here is Qs-Q-K-J, which gives the poster 25% equity. Against a range of very playable Q-Q hands, the poster is probably looking at 31-35% equity.

So, if Hero puts in 20BB into a 45BB pot, he is giving up roughly 4BB in the case where he is up against top set. So, it is a bit of a gamble, but not really anything to get all riled up about in the case of a check/call. He is also getting proper pot-odds on his call.

Note how much worse it is in the case of a bet/call. Hero still has the same equity, but instead he put in 60BB into a 125BB pot. Now, he is looking at an expected loss of 16BB.

Is a check/call the greatest play of all time in this case. Probably not! Is the worst play of all time. Probably not! Unless the Hero can narrow the Villian's hand range down to one or two very specific 4-card hands, then a check-call is somewhere between a very slighty +EV and very slightly -EV decision.

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Check calling is so obviously bad it is painful to argue about it. If you check he may pot it with pocket 5's. You call, drawing, showing obvious weakness. If you whiff, he pots it again, and you fold the best hand cause you never showed any strength.

Bet/fold is much better. When he comes over the top of you you know you are behind. Probably way behind.

[Jorge10]

I dont think anyone went into this, but do you guys raise with this hand from early position? Jacks are nothing to go crazy about and the position stinks, im not saying I dont play it or raise it from late position because of the other two cards that are with the jacks, but still from early position seems like a bad idea.