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Old 12-02-2005, 03:13 PM
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Default Help me count the outs

I am not seeing the eight outs here. Please help.
In the hand quizzes of SSH p209 hand 6.
You have KhKd under the gun. You raise. Two Players cold-call, and the blinds call (10 small bets). the flop is Jh6d3h. The blinds check, you bet, and everyone calls (7.5 big bets). the turn is the Qs. The small blind bets, and the big blind calls. What do you do?

The books says I have 8 outs to beat two pair. I don't see 8 outs I see 2, the other K's.
What did I miss here?
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Old 12-02-2005, 03:17 PM
SheridanCat SheridanCat is offline
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Default Re: Help me count the outs

You need the board to pair - and not make a full house for the SB who may already have two pair.

Consider:

SB has QJ and on the turn made two pair. Your outs are 2 Kings, 3 sixes and 3 threes. Eight outs.

Of course, SB may have something like AQ and you're way ahead. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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T
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Old 12-02-2005, 03:18 PM
AKQJ10 AKQJ10 is offline
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Default Re: Help me count the outs

First see the section on "Hidden outs".
If one opponent has, say, jacks and treys, you can beat that by catching a six or a queen on the river to make kings up. The board pairing counterfeits two pair by turning an overpair into a higher two pair.

However, if each opponents has a different two pair, then you don't have all those outs -- if one opponent has J3 and another has Q6, any river pairing the board will make someone a full house. If one has QJ and one has J3, then only a six or a king will make you a better hand.
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Old 12-02-2005, 03:30 PM
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Default Re: Help me count the outs

Thank you re-read the Hidden out part of the book.
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Old 12-02-2005, 03:35 PM
Kurn, son of Mogh Kurn, son of Mogh is offline
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Default Re: Help me count the outs

If your opponent has QJ
2 K's, 3 6's & 3 3's give you a better hand. That's 8 outs.
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