Flopping a house and running into aggression

olavfo · #1 03-11-2005, 03:54 AM

CO likes to open-raise and is 68/23 over 31 hands:

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: (7.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 raises, MP3 folds, CO 3-bets, Hero caps, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, CO calls.

Turn: (10.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, CO caps, Hero calls.

River: (18.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, Hero caps, CO calls.

Final Pot: 26.25 BB

When I flop a boat I put him on the only hand that makes sense, trip jacks (he would have openraised with JJ) and I go all the way. Can anyone guess what he beat me with?

Should I have backed down?

olavfo

macdaddy991 · #2 03-11-2005, 04:03 AM

I hate hands like this. You have a beautiful but dangerous flop. If they pair their kicker, they smack your boat. I think a lot of this depends on reads. If he limped with JJ, you are pretty dead, however he didn't open raise like he likes to do, so JJ is slim. J7 is a possibility, but would he play that in that position? The only hand that I would be somewhat wary of is J8s. Most fish consider that a suited connector, and play it from any position. Much more likely however, is that he had something like KJ,QJ, or maybe even TJ. I think you played it well.

olavfo · #3 03-11-2005, 04:06 AM

He turned over J7. I feel pretty bad right now, and I'm stepping outside for a walk. The falling snow will cool me off. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

olavfo

imported_leader · #4 03-11-2005, 04:07 AM

I'd never stop betting this unless the forth J fell or the 8 paired on the river. If he has you beat, that's life. I wouldn't think twice about it.

macdaddy991 · #5 03-11-2005, 04:11 AM

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Maybe this will make you feel a little better:

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, MP1 folds, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls.

River: (15.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 21.25 BB

BB showed KK

olavfo · #6 03-11-2005, 04:13 AM

That's how I saw it as well and I went for it.

It hurts like hell now, but it's getting better. I've already clawed back half the loss on a flush hand I just won. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

olavfo

imported_leader · #7 03-11-2005, 04:26 AM

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That's how I saw it as well and I went for it.

It hurts like hell now, but it's getting better. I've already clawed back half the loss on a flush hand I just won. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

olavfo

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We all have bad ones, but I just try to remember that you have nothing to feel bad about unless you played it wrong.

Here's a good example:

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 3 folds, MP2 raises, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG checks, MP2 bets, MP3 calls, Hero raises, UTG folds, MP2 3-bets, MP3 folds, Hero caps, MP2 calls.

Turn: (11.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero raises, MP2 3-bets, Hero caps, MP2 calls.

River: (19.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero raises, MP2 3-bets, Hero caps thinking there is no way he has it, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 27.25 BB

Well he did, but I still took down 70 BB's tonight so it was easy to get over.

milesdyson · #8 03-11-2005, 05:10 AM

Did villain have J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]?

yellowjack · #9 03-11-2005, 05:14 AM

You played it perfect. I'm guessing he beat you with J4 but thems the breaks.

Only J7, J8, J4, JJ, and 88 can beat you here: do you know how rare it is one of them has it? You definitely CAN'T back down here, especially how many other trip hands would play it that way.

imported_leader · #10 03-11-2005, 05:20 AM

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Did villain have J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]?

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Nope. J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] I think he played it pretty good really. I wouldn't have paid him off any were near as much if he had say check/called the flop. His flop 3-bet was loose, but if your going to go for it, just go all the way.