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Old 09-14-2005, 06:27 PM
Masquerade Masquerade is offline
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Default Bob Ciaffone\'s latest Card Player column plumbs new depths

Ciaffone

The whole article is just a thinly disguised shell for a self-congratulatory "I cashed in the WSOP main event" plug in any case but it really sinks to new depths.

The author describes 3 gripping hands where the other guy folded to an allin "because he had white hair" or "they didnt know who he was" etc But because a top pro like Ciaffone can't possible reveal any information he declines to reveal what his cards were.

No thought processes, no analysis, no tension as the cards come, and no idea whether these damned Internet players were making laydowns of genius, or donkness. And absolutely no point to the article.
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Old 09-14-2005, 06:42 PM
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Default Re: Bob Ciaffone\'s latest Card Player column plumbs new depths

Fair point, but in 2 of the 3 hands it really makes zero difference what he had. When you open-raise for 3000, and someone pushes for only 2400 more, it is ridiculous not to call.
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Old 09-14-2005, 08:59 PM
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Default Re: Bob Ciaffone\'s latest Card Player column plumbs new depths

I haven't read the new issue, but if Phil Hellmuth doesn't get off the heads-up kick I think I'm cancelling my subscription
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Old 09-14-2005, 10:56 PM
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Default Re: Bob Ciaffone\'s latest Card Player column plumbs new depths

i think he made a few valid points. an old guy that nobody recognizes can afford to bluff a bit more. not bad by cardplayer standards.
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Old 09-14-2005, 11:05 PM
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Default Re: Bob Ciaffone\'s latest Card Player column plumbs new depths

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...not bad by cardplayer standards.

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Which means I can use it to line the bird cage.
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Old 09-14-2005, 11:21 PM
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Default Re: Bob Ciaffone\'s latest Card Player column plumbs new depths

I did like the math here:

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In the first hand, the blinds were $400-$800 with an ante. The player on my right, who habitually open-raised from late position every time it was folded to him, opened for $3,000. I raised him $5,400 all in, hoping that he was playing his usual garbage. He threw his hand away. I do not know what he had, but he was getting about 2.5-to-1

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400+800+3000+5400=9600 (plus ante!). 9600-to-2400 = 2.5-to-1! nh Bob.
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Old 09-15-2005, 12:36 AM
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In the first hand, the blinds were $400-$800 with an ante. The player on my right, who habitually open-raised from late position every time it was folded to him, opened for $3,000. I raised him $5,400 all in, hoping that he was playing his usual garbage. He threw his hand away. I do not know what he had, but he was getting about 2.5-to-1

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400+800+3000+5400=9600 (plus ante!). 9600-to-2400 = 2.5-to-1! nh Bob.

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Actually, it makes sense. Add $900 for antes, and then he raises $8400 ($3000+$5400) for a total pot of $13,500. $13,500-to$5400=2.5-to-1! nh Punker.
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Old 09-19-2005, 02:48 PM
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Default Re: Bob Ciaffone\'s latest Card Player column plumbs new depths

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i think he made a few valid points. an old guy that nobody recognizes can afford to bluff a bit more.

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yep. Sounds like the OP was just looking for something different than Bob was providing. The article had a point and was written well enough. I don't really see the problem.
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